Serial Killings in the UK

[Xentrobis]

The titles all in the Link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6171319.stm

Looks like Jack The Ripper type of stuff we have at hand here.

What are your thoughts on this.

[bicker]

Don't be a hooker

[The Freshmaker]

Ignore the above poster, kids. Prostitution shows the true spirit of entrepeneurship still alive in today's young women.

[bicker]

you're right i should have said. Don't be a hooker in Ipswich at the moment.

[Hellbent]

I don't think I could do prostitution for a living. It's just not right. Plus, like with women, there'd be a lot of disgusting customers.

[poetryliberates]

I don't think I could do prostitution for a living. It's just not right. Plus, like with women, there'd be a lot of disgusting customers.

even so, prostitutes, are still human beings. No matter what they do for a living, its no excuse to take their lives. i dont like john howard or george bush, but im not going on a murdering spree.....

[Draven]

I don't think I could do prostitution for a living. It's just not right. Plus, like with women, there'd be a lot of disgusting customers.

Yeah, I hear you. You wouldn't want to be stuck having sex with some 300 pound monster either. :eek:

[Max Vantage]

I found this to be truly diabolical as with all murders. It doesn't matter what the private business is of the victim, the fact is that there is a fuckwit murdering people out there that should strike terror into anyone...male or female.
These women maybe prostitutes (not that it matters) but that doesn't detract from them being someone's daughter, mother, sister, etc being taken from those who may love them. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ariella]

Exactly Max, I actually know a chick that prostitutes herself and she does it for her children so she can feed and clothe them. Yeah sure some do it cause they like it, but sometimes others just don't have a damn choice.

The fact that someone is going around killing prostitutes is just as sickening as someone going around killing any other person.

[Hellbent]

I on the other hand don't give a shit. I look at prostitutes just like suicide cases. It's taking the easy way out- it's much easier than getting a real job. I'm pretty sure nobody anywhere (especially women) would have to sell their body to feed and clothe their kids. You know how many charities and shit there is out there for cases like that- 'cause I don't- but I've heard helper people on the radio, but it wansn't plugged in, so...i was hearing voices.

Hey, If nothing else she could give them up for adoption or give them to family for a while. That's what I would do.

But hey, what do I know...I'm not in that situation- because I'm lots smarter than these humans.

[Hellbent]

Don't be a hooker

More importantly we need to remember this:D

[Jack The Ripper]

Looks like Jack The Ripper type of stuff we have at hand here.


Yeah real funny.






I on the other hand don't give a shit. I look at prostitutes just like suicide cases. It's taking the easy way out- it's much easier than getting a real job. I'm pretty sure nobody anywhere (especially women) would have to sell their body to feed and clothe their kids. You know how many charities and shit there is out there for cases like that- 'cause I don't- but I've heard helper people on the radio, but it wansn't plugged in, so...i was hearing voices.

Hey, If nothing else she could give them up for adoption or give them to family for a while. That's what I would do.

But hey, what do I know...I'm not in that situation- because I'm lots smarter than these humans.

Though Hellbent has put it so hmmm. I find myself in total agreement with him.

[Robert]

Exactly Max, I actually know a chick that prostitutes herself and she does it for her children so she can feed and clothe them. Yeah sure some do it cause they like it, but sometimes others just don't have a damn choice.
The idea that being a prostitute is the only way to feed and clothe one's children is nonsense.

I don't like to see what's happening at the moment with the sudden appearance of 5 dead prostitutes around Ipswich, I certainly don't think they deserved to be murdered, but being a prostitute means choosing to put yourself at risk.

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

Now thats almost true.
Myself I'm not into Prostitutes but then I'm marraid with three kids.
However there are those that can't get a girl friend and well we are only human at the end of the day. So in that sense Prostitues are providing a service. They choose to do so. I don't believe though they do because they have no money. There are a lot of people out there with less money and they don't turn to prostitution.

Its a thought for mixed feelings. Its a free world an all that. But I do believe they put themselves at risk and they do know the risks.
Murder is horrid and uncalled for no one has the right to kill another in cold blood but it happens and these prostitues know the risks.



~Raven.

[IndianaJoan]

The idea that being a prostitute is the only way to feed and clothe one's children is nonsense.

I don't like to see what's happening at the moment with the sudden appearance of 5 dead prostitutes around Ipswich, I certainly don't think they deserved to be murdered, but being a prostitute means choosing to put yourself at risk.

Cheers,
Rob

Boy do i have to agree with you on this point!

[Max Vantage]

The idea that being a prostitute is the only way to feed and clothe one's children is nonsense.

Disagree. Prostitution doesn't only exist in so-called civilised UK and USA. In some pockets of the world (third world countries) prostitution is the only way a woman can keep herself and children alive.


I don't like to see what's happening at the moment with the sudden appearance of 5 dead prostitutes around Ipswich, I certainly don't think they deserved to be murdered, but being a prostitute means choosing to put yourself at risk.

Cheers,
Rob

So is simply walking your dog down the street, or commuting to work everyday and night. But we wouldn't tolerate a murder in those situations or force nonsense moral opinions on them. Why should a woman who works as a prostitute be seen any differently to the rest of us when simply wanting to live her life the way she chooses without some fucked up psycho wanting to kill her?
Any man or woman's choice to work in the sex trade is their business. Why look upon them differently if something terrible like this should befall them as opposed to anyone else?

[Max Vantage]

I on the other hand don't give a shit. I look at prostitutes just like suicide cases. It's taking the easy way out- it's much easier than getting a real job.

You would know this from personal experience? Or making a generalisation?


You know how many charities and shit there is out there for cases like that
I'm much more confident now to know that you have confirmed to me that you make donations to these charities and shit.
After all, money doesn't come from nowhere that these charities and shit need to rely on.


But hey, what do I know...I'm not in that situation- because I'm lots smarter than these humans.

You might want to look up 'non sequitur', because that's exactly what you have made here, m'boy.
You're a lot smarter than these humans because you 'don't know as you're not in that situation'? Yup, makes real sense!

[Heather Louise]

it's awful all of these murders. my auntie lives there with er family, and although they are not hookers its still a little un-nerving. and i agree with the people who say that being a prostitute is wrong, it is just an excuse, but that does not make it right for them to be murdered.
heather
:)

[Max Vantage]

I'm confused, why is prostitution wrong? In what way is it wrong?
Morally?
Would that include cigarettes and alcohol that poisons the body as opposed to sex which actually does a person good? Many are not as shocked to know that those two are actually legal.
But something natural that makes a person feel good must be made illegal and frowned upon. For what purpose I don't know, but it's a stupid one and is a throwback tothe archaic days that sex is supposed to be bad (unless you were married).

Apparently, hookers are the only people capable pf spreading diseases. This wouldn't include the many thousands upon thousands of everyday "normal" people who open their legs so easily to any stranger in a bar or nightclub everyday and night. :rolleyes:
Yeah, even the most stupid prostitute wouldn't have the sense to demand condoms or a no kissing policy. :rolleyes:

I would expect with the stupid idiotic behaviours that men and women get themselves into with each other all the time you'd actually expect prostitutes to be much safer and cleaner than anyone else!

If you trade money for a product or a service then it's, by definition, a business.
Sex is not a spiritual sacred thing. It's simply a natural act that some people need to come to terms with.

[Heather Louise]

at the end of day, women have been working for 1000's of years for equaltity and respect, and now that we are finally close to getting it, we still go and sell our bodies in various different ways. it makes me sick to think that there are women out there that think they have to do it for what ever reason.
heather

[Max Vantage]

at the end of day, women have been working for 1000's of years for equaltity and respect, and now that we are finally close to getting it, we still go and sell our bodies in various different ways. it makes me sick to think that there are women out there that think they have to do it for what ever reason.
heather

The quote in bold highlights the fact that prostitution is a choice: the very thing meaning equality does it not?

[Hellbent]

You would know this from personal experience? Or making a generalisation?


I'm much more confident now to know that you have confirmed to me that you make donations to these charities and shit.
After all, money doesn't come from nowhere that these charities and shit need to rely on.



You might want to look up 'non sequitur', because that's exactly what you have made here, m'boy.
You're a lot smarter than these humans because you 'don't know as you're not in that situation'? Yup, makes real sense!


Hahha...that was pretty funny.

[Robert]

Disagree. Prostitution doesn't only exist in so-called civilised UK and USA. In some pockets of the world (third world countries) prostitution is the only way a woman can keep herself and children alive.
Which happens to be irrelevant to the context of the discussion. But someone had to post it.



So is simply walking your dog down the street, or commuting to work everyday and night. But we wouldn't tolerate a murder in those situations or force nonsense moral opinions on them. Why should a woman who works as a prostitute be seen any differently to the rest of us when simply wanting to live her life the way she chooses without some fucked up psycho wanting to kill her?
Any man or woman's choice to work in the sex trade is their business. Why look upon them differently if something terrible like this should befall them as opposed to anyone else?
I didn't argue that they should be seen differently. I pointed out that they exposed themselves to risk through choice. Anyone who gets into cars with strangers at night is choosing to expose themselves to the same risk. But who does it, apart from prostitutes? Precious few. Why? Because the risk is quite different and significantly greater than walking down the street or commuting to work, which I'd have thought was obvious, even to you.

But yes, if we're talking about prostitution generally, rather than the murder of prostitutes, then why shouldn't we force moral opinions on them? That's what society does. I don't like prostitutes. I wouldn't want them hanging around in my neighbourhood. I'd like to see them cleared off the streets. If they can't get themselves cleaned up off their drugs and look after their kids responsibly, throw them into prisons and take the kids into care.

Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

Which happens to be irrelevant to the context of the discussion. But someone had to post it.

Likewise, your comment was also irrelevant to the context of the post. I fail to see the point you’re making here. My comment to you was directly in context with yours.


I didn't argue that they should be seen differently. I pointed out that they exposed themselves to risk through choice. Anyone who gets into cars with strangers at night is choosing to expose themselves to the same risk. But who does it, apart from prostitutes? Precious few. Why? Because the risk is quite different and significantly greater than walking down the street or commuting to work, which I'd have thought was obvious, even to you.

Which is why the majority now only are willing to exchange with clients in a brothel where they have a greater resource of protection. That much is obvious to anyone who knows someone in the scene or knows something about it.



But yes, if we're talking about prostitution generally, rather than the murder of prostitutes, then why shouldn't we force moral opinions on them?

Whose? Yours? What if others choose not to live by the ones chosen for them? You can’t put people in a vacuum expecting that to work.


That's what society does.

If you’re a sheep accepting everything you’re told to do or behave as expected by others. Things don’t work that way.


If they can't get themselves cleaned up off their drugs and look after their kids responsibly, throw them into prisons and take the kids into care.

Sorry mate, straw man argument!!!
Not every prostitute is on drugs, doesn’t always have kids, and if they do not all of them are treated irresponsibly because mummy is prostitute.

[Heather Louise]

at the end of the day it is a silly thing to do, you are putting yopur self at ridks by doing it, as the murders have obviosly proped. it is an easy way out of not having enough money, and it is still illegal so they are still breaking the law. and yes i know that it is their choice, but many propstitues get into the buisness for a short time fix and then find it hard to get out for what ever reasons.
heather
:)

[mammamaia]

hey, all you guys who're dissing working girls...

if idiot men didn't put the recreational use of their you-know-whats ahead of everything else in their lives, there wouldn't be any such thing as prostitution!

[Max Vantage]

hey, all you guys who're dissing working girls...

if idiot men didn't put the recreational use of their you-know-whats ahead of everything else in their lives, there wouldn't be any such thing as prostitution!

What are you saying? That we men are idiots because we act normal pertaining to our gender concerning sex/procreation?

Pretty damned sexist and moronic commentary if I ever read one!

[Max Vantage]

I'm really shocked at the lack of in depth knowledge people don't possess here. The same people assuming enough vanity to call themselves writers.

I would have thought insight was much more important a tool in a writer's possession than ignorance. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[Raven]

This seems to be getting over heated.
Might i suggest that you agree to disagree. You all have valid points to this arguement but I can't see you resolving it. So perhaps agree to disagree.





~Raven.

[Max Vantage]

This seems to be getting over heated.
Might i suggest that you agree to disagree. You all have valid points to this arguement but I can't see you resolving it. So perhaps agree to disagree.

~Raven.

No, I cannot. There's nothing agreeable about ignorance and certainly nothing with which to see that they're valid!
Resolution happens when people actually learn to open their eyes and stop being so stupid. Ignorance isn't bliss...it's just ignorance.

[Hellbent]

You know what, you're right, Max...I don't know what about exactly, but you definately have the best arguement.

...Slept with some prostitues in your day?

[Max Vantage]

What makes you think I'd ever pass off any information to you about my business and what it is that I choose to do or not do in my life?

[Hellbent]

yeah, I wasn't exactly the smartest kid in the class.

[Robert]

I'm really shocked at the lack of in depth knowledge people don't possess here. The same people assuming enough vanity to call themselves writers.

I would have thought insight was much more important a tool in a writer's possession than ignorance. Maybe I'm mistaken.
When you last replied to my post in this thread I didn't think your reply warranted further discussion. I didn't think you were taking the conversation seriously. You just seemed to be out to disagree and argue, not debate. That's fine, you're free to post as you wish, but that's the impression I got of you, rightly or wrongly.

Now you're assuming that people who don't share your view are ignorant, and insulting them as writers. This reinforces my belief that you're not worth responding to.

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

No, I cannot. There's nothing agreeable about ignorance and certainly nothing with which to see that they're valid!
Resolution happens when people actually learn to open their eyes and stop being so stupid. Ignorance isn't bliss...it's just ignorance.

Thats fine in your opinion. But just because others disagree with you doesn't mean they are ignorant. If you can't conduct yourself responsibly then don't say anything at all.

Its a shame when arguments get very heated and someone ruins the thread in some way.
Like I said agree to disagree. If none of you can do that. Fine but when it comes down to accusing each other of been Ignorant and other things. thats when it gets out of hand. Max Lighten up. Its only a debate everyone has a point of view to share. You just can't expect everyone to agree with you.

I suggest that if this carrys on its going to get nasty,
and could get the thread locked.






~Raven.

[Hellbent]

yeah, I guess prostitution was a pretty edgy topic for this site.

[Max Vantage]

When you last replied to my post in this thread I didn't think your reply warranted further discussion. I didn't think you were taking the conversation seriously.

I'm inclined to believe you, but I think you're lying because you actually didn't have anything to reply with.



You just seemed to be out to disagree and argue, not debate. That's fine, you're free to post as you wish, but that's the impression I got of you, rightly or wrongly.

If that be the case I'd be hogging every single thread acting like one of those aggravating internet trolls to cause trouble.


Now you're assuming that people who don't share your view are ignorant,

That would be because it is ignorance. So far, no one has convinced me otherwise.



and insulting them as writers.

I'll stop that when when certain people act like one.



This reinforces my belief that you're not worth responding to.

But you felt the need to anyway right here contradicting yourself. :rolleyes: :D

[Robert]

like one of those aggravating internet trolls
Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

When you last replied to my post in this thread I didn't think your reply warranted further discussion.

I like your philosophy.

It's a shame you put yourself in a corner and are now finding it hard to pull out with dignity. Checkmate btw

[Robert]

like one of those aggravating internet trolls
Cheers,
Rob

[The Freshmaker]

Math is power!

[Max Vantage]

Aww, wassamatta, rob? Did you dare pull your pants down in public and get spanked by me for it? :D :D


like one of those aggravating internet trolls

Thought I'd save you the trouble! :D :D

[Hellbent]

Geez, quit nagging. Go play outside, get out of our hair. Or do something more constructive than having the last word on Writing forums.org Write something goddammit.

WRITE!

[Max Vantage]

Geez, quit nagging. Go play outside, get out of our hair. Or do something more constructive than having the last word on Writing forums.org Write something goddammit.

WRITE!

Yes, YES! God damnit, I feel your power! Mighty in all its splendor! :D

Don't mind us both. Rob gets a masochistic sense of pleasure out of public humiliation. He's a submissive male did you not know? ;) :D