chicken..egg..chicken..egg..chicken??

[poetryliberates]

what came first?????the chicken or the egg?

[newguy]

the omellette with a side dish of spicy wings

[bicker]

A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied look on his face, and the egg is looking a bit put out.
Well i guess we answered that question, mutters the egg.

[Robert]

what came first?????the chicken or the egg?
Chicken, obviously.

[bicker]

Chicken, obviously.

nope it was the egg.

[The Freshmaker]

Well, really it depends. If you're a creationist, the chicken must have come first. The Bible says, "And God said, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly and swarm with living creatures, and let birds fly over the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.'" It does not say, "And God said, 'Let the birds hatch forth from their eggs before flying over the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.'" I know, I know, chickens don't fly. Point being: God created the first birds without the use of eggs.

If you're an evolutionist, the answer is the egg. Why? Because way back before chickens existed, an animal that wasn't a chicken, but which was damn close to one, laid an egg with a genetic mutation. Forth from this genetically mutated egg came the first chicken. You might say, "Hey, that's cheating." Well, maybe the better question is: "What came first: the reptile or the egg?" Seeing as reptiles, not chickens, perfected the first external eggs.

[Robert]

nope it was the egg.
But the egg has to be made by a chicken, obviously.

[poetryliberates]

and the chicken had to have had hatched from an egg

[ariella]

too painful to think, why must you come up with such thought demanding threads. LOL just kidding.

I will always say the egg. You will never change my mind.

[poetryliberates]

but sheeeeee, where did the egg come from???????

[ariella]

from one of life's little miracles my friend. OK!

[poetryliberates]

o ok, what kind of miracle?

[Robert]

and the chicken had to have had hatched from an egg
And we've already determined that the egg came from a chicken. So there we have it. Chicken first, egg followed. I told you it was obvious.

Cheers,
Rob

[poetryliberates]

right, so where did the chicken come from that laid the egg?

[SeaBreeze]

Kfc?

[Robert]

right, so where did the chicken come from that laid the egg?
Follow the thread. It's obvious.

[M.Kirk]

Follow the thread. It's obvious.

But there's no way to prove that God created the chicken, which created the egg. So no, it's not obvious.

[Robert]

But there's no way to prove that God created the chicken, which created the egg. So no, it's not obvious.
Sure it's obvious, you just need to try a little harder. There has to be a chicken for there to be an egg.

Cheers,
Rob

[M.Kirk]

Sure it's obvious, you just need to try a little harder. There has to be a chicken for there to be an egg.

Cheers,
Rob
Eggs were around millions of years before chickens even came into existance, that's a proven fact. Chickens came from dinosaur eggs, so the egg came first.

[The Freshmaker]

Unless you're a creationist!

[Robert]

Eggs were around millions of years before chickens even came into existance, that's a proven fact. Chickens came from dinosaur eggs, so the egg came first.
You're saying a dinosaur laid an egg and a chicken came out of it? I don't think so.

[newguy]

this is turning out to be a good thread

[poetryliberates]

You're saying a dinosaur laid an egg and a chicken came out of it? I don't think so.


i agree there robert, but i mean come on..a chicken didnt just suddenly appear one day and lay an egg, and if it did, that egg would not have hatched unless it was fertalised, threfore, there had to have been a rooster involved..and where did he come from????

and on the other hand, one fine sunny day, an egg did not just descend from the heavens and hatch out a wierd little critter that just reproduced all by herself

[Frost]

One of lifes great puzzles.
A question that will never be answered.
Because evolutionists believe that chicken egg came from some form of reptilian bird.
Creationists believe that the chickens just came out of nowhere.

All too difficult...

[Spherical Time]

I agree completely with the Freshmaker.

[Beowulf]

an egg is just a bloted cell with half the genetic information necissary to creat life, so clearly the egg came first. Just like how Prokaryotic cells came before Eukariotic cells.

[The Freshmaker]

I agree completely with the Freshmaker.

:eek: THANK YOU!

[poetryliberates]

so your saying one fine sunny day, an egg slowly evolved out of nothing, creating alone, a chicken, and that chicken went on to produce other chickens, with no fertalisation whatsoever, if thats the case, then tell my why these days, the egg has to be fertalised in order to hatch?

[Robert]

i agree there robert, but i mean come on..a chicken didnt just suddenly appear one day and lay an egg, and if it did, that egg would not have hatched unless it was fertalised, threfore, there had to have been a rooster involved..and where did he come from????
Interesting. I think we have to look first at what the question is. Which came first, the chicken or the egg.

Now, it's implied in the question that the egg we're talking about here is a chicken's egg, not a dinosaur's egg or a reptile's egg or any other kind of egg, but an egg produced by a chicken and capable, in theory, of maturing into another chicken.

Sure, if we assume that the question is asking about 'an egg' rather then 'the egg', in other words if we're not fussy about the type of egg we're talking about, then we can find all kinds of possible answers, but these tell us nothing about the question. It's an issue of logic at stake here, and the implication that the egg belongs to a chicken is clear in the question. We must assume, then, that the only answers we're interested in are those from people who have intellectually grasped the necessity of the egg belonging to, and being capable of maturing into, a chicken. All other answers, though amusing, are irrelevant.

Your point about the rooster, while true, is also irrelevant. It's implied in the question that there must be a rooster somewhere, and it really doesn't matter where as far as the logic of the question is concerned. Apply the rooster wherever it fits, but it doesn't define the answer.


and on the other hand, one fine sunny day, an egg did not just descend from the heavens and hatch out a wierd little critter that just reproduced all by herself
I agree, the chicken into which the egg develops would not be able to reproduce further without a rooster. The rooster is there, but not essential for the logic issue at hand.

Either the chicken came first, and the rooster did the business, producing the egg, or the egg came first, developed into a chicken, and the rooster did the business. The question doesn't depend on when the rooster appears, it's there when we need it.

I think we're getting closer to an answer, don't you?

Cheers,
Rob

[crazycat007]

holy toledo and a bleeding half, this is confusing! everyone has a totally legit point. so i say that *Wham* out of nowhere came both a chicken and an egg. it was a girl chicken, who patiently sat on the egg until it hatched. the chick was a boy. then, the two reproduce. there's no rationaly thought behind any of this. it makes no sence. if you want my honest opinion, then i say egg. but yeah. there's my miraculous explaination.

[Onoria Westhrop]

Evolution does some crazy stuff. There was a cool news story about a female komodo dragon in an English zoo. All alone, no mates. She becomes pregnant, and lays a batch of fertile eggs. All male. Apparently, lizards can, under dire cirumstances, reproduce without a mate...then, mate with their own young: incest is better than extinction.
So, no the eggs do not need to be fertilized.

However, that's probably beside the point. The problem most people have with this is one of definitions.
The main problem with the debate here is that people have this inflexible idea of what a 'chicken' is. After all, a lizard doesn't just wake up one day, lay an egg and then BAM chicken.
Chickens are all a little bit different to each other. Turkeys are like chickens, but a little bit different. You get variations in the dna....Things differing by minute degrees. What DNA makes an animal a chicken and not a really similar looking bird?

Eggs predate chickens because they exist in all kinds of species. Chicken eggs only come into existence after you have an animal that you are willing to say meets the definition of the word 'chicken' - which if you think about it, is not that different to the (genetic) definition of a whole bunch of animals that are by minute degrees, different to each other.

Answer: The Chicken is just a definition - not a rule of nature.

[Mike R]

We need to clear up whether the egg in question belongs to the critter that laid it or the critter that hatched out of it?

[Max Vantage]

It's evolution, baby!

The egg came from the chicken. So where did the chicken come from? Yup, an egg - but only AFTER the chicken's earliest decendants had the ability to produce them. So a chicken is bound to have evolved from another form at one time so didn't just 'fall from the sky'.

Life evolves from snot (or plasma-type substance, if you like.)
In this snot houses all the genetic and DNA evidence needed to form an organism. It's a natural process that we haven't yet found the ultimate source but some have theorised that all early life formed first of all in the ocean as marine life.
But from this 'snot' comes different life hence the many varied creatures we have that evolve through different forms. Through thousands and even millions of years animals can and do evolve into different species and produce offspring in differing ways. Some look similar whereas others appear to have no connection whatsoever.
When they are fully formed in their ealiest stages then they are able to mass produce on their own accord, thus eggs coming from a chicken only after the first form chicken being developed by nature.

What is nature? Damned if I know.
Science will find the answers to life's most perplexing questions sooner or later.
Religion has no interest in facts, hence all this Adam and Eve rubbish.

Humans are theoretically evolved from ape.
Then ape came from an unspecified land creature which developed ways of being able to climb trees to evade predators evolving it into ape.
Before that came the lizard-type creature into unspecified land creature.
Before that came Mr. Fish which jumped ashore and evolved into Mr. lizard.
Before Mr. fishy came Dr. Plankton.
Before Dr. Plankton came snot.
Etc.
Etc.

All theory, mind. Nothing as yet proven.

So in short, the chicken came first, but not in the current form that we see.

[Bluemouth]

I can agree with that post.

[Crazy Ivan]

I say chicken.

Just CUZ, that's why! SHEESH! =P

[Max Vantage]

I say scrambled eggs on toast.

What say you to that, eh? Aye, or nay?

[Max Vantage]

As an aside (if the evolution theory is correct); we evolved from water to land. Then land to trees. And because evolution demanded that we couldn't develop any further we never grew wings to evolve to the sky, so now we're back on land in our current form.

Makes one wonder how we're going to evolve once we start emigrating to space...;) :eek: :)

[Bluemouth]

And then once we've established ourselves in space we'll want to venture further. That's how we'll discover the mysteries of wormholes etc. and take ourselves to other ends of the universe where finally we may meet other life forms. How exciting. :D

[Max Vantage]

And then once we've established ourselves in space we'll want to venture further. That's how we'll discover the mysteries of wormholes etc. and take ourselves to other ends of the universe where finally we may meet other life forms. How exciting. :D

And I have just packed me bags ready for the trip! :D

[Traci]

so then it will be which came first..the chicken or the wormhole?

Only we won't be typing it in a forum because i don't think we'll have fingers then..

...there is too much unproved in evolution.. i have to go with a miracle.. i say the chicken came first..

[Axis]

but sheeeeee, where did the egg come from???????


A hawk that had mated with a pidgeon.

[poetryliberates]

where did the hawk and pidgeon come from?

[Axis]

They both evolved from dinosaurs.