Our Godforesaken World

[poetryliberates]

Ok, i was just thinking about all of the horrible crap i hear about in the newspapers, and on the news. What is this world coming to? What the hell is wrong with people these days? ive heard some disturbing things from around the world, but i would have to say, that the one that shook me the most, would have to be, CTM..for those of you that have never eard of CTM, it stands for Cu*t The Movie. A disgusting takeoff of the movie 'Jackass'. 14 Australian boys, from eastern australia, filmed themselves, repeatedly torturing, raping and teasing a disabled girl, put it on a dvd, and on the net. They are proud of their little movie, yet thoughn nothing of the shame it would bring australia, and the worst part, all juveniles....
and then, the Jack The Ripper copycat in Ipswich recently, how sick can you get, and just recently...a 16 year old girl mudered by two school friends, and dumped into a wheelie bin.The body so badly decomposed, that the cops had to use dental records to identify the body....and last but not least, little sophia rodriguez, a small pretty little girl, wandered to a mall toilet and was grabbed raped and murdered without anyone noticing, found moments later by her older brother...

i dont get it, why take someone elses life? this world is sick, backwards and twisted.....

[ariella]

Yeah it most certainly is a sick world that we are living in.
It is pretty bad when you can't even feel safe in your own home anymore or even feel safe enough to let your children play outside on their own.
I stopped reading the papers and watching the news because it really disgusts me with the way the world has turned out.
I mean how can people do things like this and live with themselves. I don't know how they could be proud of a movie like that, they deserve to have their genitalia removed and have to urinate through a bag for the rest of their lives. Then see how proud they are of themselves!!!
How can anyone get a thrill out of raping someone, it sickens me.

[newguy]

you've got to realize....
some humans are not bound by moral reason, nor are they tied to any sense of mercy. It is either they recieved none, or they are just the seeds of evil in our world. We have been bred into a world where there is no censorship, it is what we call Freedom. What was once a great ideal has become another reason to wonder why we deserve this luxury.


What has been done was not right, but only we as a people have the power to change and put these criminals to their rightful punishment.

[Crazy Ivan]

Okay, when things get this doom-and-gloom philosophical, I just kind of turn up my Bruce Springsteen CD and go back to writing my comics.

[IndianaJoan]

Okay, when things get this doom-and-gloom philosophical, I just kind of turn up my Bruce Springsteen CD and go back to writing my comics.

I have a hard time believing you are 12 LOL

[newguy]

Okay, when things get this doom-and-gloom philosophical, I just kind of turn up my Bruce Springsteen CD and go back to writing my comics.

Hey philosophy is kind of the roots of writing.

[mammamaia]

are you only just now noticing how inhumane humans are?... humankind was badly named and will never improve, sad to say... nothing has changed since the first homonid picked up a rock and decked another... a piece i wrote a while back says it all:

Etymology of an Endangering Species

homo sapiens sapiens...
wise “knowing knowing” man...
knows less about himself
than any lesser creature can

mankind is blind
with self-protective,
truth-selective sight,
since he might otherwise be maligned

man- is the Latin root for hand,
while kind, though meaning “sort”
means “nice” as well... and
there’s where man falls short

but go to German and you find
“kind” is kind (like “twinned”),
a word for little child...
too mild a word for man, who’s sinned
enough to make his stuff
inexcusable... his pleas refusable.

homo erectus... upright man,
best joke of all, humans are bent...
standing tall, we let evil infect us...
nothing else wrecked us,
if the truth were known...
we did it all on our own

however mankind might have been,
despite what it was that linked us
to those original “knowing” men,
we deserve to be homo extinctus!

[The Freshmaker]

The world has always been messed up. There will always be sick, twisted people in it. Unlike Pokemon, we can never catch them all.

[Ferret]

Well, whose fault is this god-foresaken world?

[IndianaJoan]

Well, whose fault is this god-foresaken world?

Its all your fault ferret :P heh

[Ferret]

Damn, your on to me. *Rawr* I have to kill off the rest of the illumanati before they betray me.
But in seriousness and spelling mistakes it our falut the world is like it is. Not our as us, our as in humanity. If the world hadnt had the gaint lapse of Morles a few decades back...
But it's not we can fix the world, if we can even say it is broken...

[newguy]

yes it is human nature...
but we have the will to change

[ariella]

Yeah the world is messed up, but like any mess, it can be cleaned up if people just got off their *&$%* and actually did something about it for a change.

[Crazy Ivan]

I have a hard time believing you are 12 LOL

Believe it, bucko. >.> (I've noticed that one of the disadvantages to being a 12-year-old forumer is that you act too smart, and then people think you're some pedo posing as a child. Eeurgh.)

But back on topic- they always tell you that you, by yourself, can make a difference. But once you cut through all the moralized crap, you come to the conclusion that that's just not true. To make a difference, humanity needs to come to one, simultaneous, everybody-in effort. Think of the song you sang in kindergarten: "Cleanup, cleanup, everybody do their share, cleanup, cleanup, everybody everywhere." It's a kid's nursery rhyme, but as a world message, it could be even more effective than anything written by Bono. Basically, what it says is, Sure you can try doing something helpful by yourself- but it just doesn't matter unless everybody does something.

[newguy]

Thusly I said We have the will to change.


All the effort of a single individual can go to waste on some lost cause, but as a people we can offer more than just an opinion we can start a revolution.

[IndianaJoan]

Thusly I said We have the will to change.


All the effort of a single individual can go to waste on some lost cause, but as a people we can offer more than just an opinion we can start a revolution.

And a revolution is probably what we really need

[The Freshmaker]

Revolutions are good for mass reform. Poetryliberates is talking more about actions of perverse individuals, which no amount of revolutionary thinking or action can change.

[Ferret]

What would you vote we do, kill the stupid people and feed the poor with them?

[The Freshmaker]

Oh, I've always been an advocate of eating the retarded.

However, rapists and pedophiles and murderers will always exist.

[newguy]

Thats why sometimes I like the idea in the movie Minority Report

[Robert]

There's a lot of good going on in the world, too, don't forget. Sure, the bad stuff is bad, but the good stuff is very good.

Cheers,
Rob

[ariella]

Very good point Robert. With all the bad experiences and events that surround every day life, people are beginning to forget about the good things in life.

[mammamaia]

trouble is, the bad has always outweighed the good, where humans are concerned... and unless you can either 'reform' or eradicate all the bad-doing ones in the world, no amount of 'good' will make any major difference...

you might not like to believe it, but that won't make it not so...

[The Freshmaker]

I don't think the bad outweighs the good. Actually, crime rates have gone down quite a bit from twenty or even ten years ago. However, reports of crime have gone up. You turn on the news, and all you see is rape and murder and robbery and war, blah dah dah dah dah. You don't often see reports of people committing selfless acts. But it happens all the time.

[mammamaia]

that may be true if you're only looking at your own narrow national/local view, and not the global perspective...

as a practicing philosopher, i study/observe the entire human race [current behavior and its history] and base my conclusions on the whole picture, rather than merely a small corner of it...

[newguy]

Depressingly mama is right...
It's not the matter of local view just looking at africa as an example shows how the good is outweighed by evil...
We can['t look at just the small perspective
I hate to admit that

[The Freshmaker]

Actually, I was going by statistics for the entire United States. I don't know how that relates to the rest of the world. I know there are many war-ravaged areas that are in pretty bad shape. However, acts of war are quite different from the individual acts of rape and depravity that the thread starter originally indicated. The latter isn't performed by stressed out, power-driven men with a mob mentality. It's carried out by individuals who have had plenty of time to think about what they are doing, and went through with it anyway. That is pretty sick.

The world has been in much worse shape. TV just brings the violence and depravity into our homes.

[zerobytes]

Someone tried to get all of the bad things in the world under control as he saw correct, his name was Adolf Hitler. Problem is, who's concept of right and wrong is correct? His was definitely wrong - at least we all think so cuz he lost the war. What would have happened if he had won? I'm not saying that I support his ideals AT ALL and I, like most of the world, feel that his actions were abominable. But the fact of the matter is we can't CONTROL people. People are going to do bad things because that is what they feel is correct.

Everyone has the right to choose what they will do with the set circumstances handed to them. The only thing we can do is say this is correct and this is incorrect punishable by...whatever and try to improve the circumstances of those around us by doing what we feel is best for them.

But I agree with the previous post, there is a lot of good in the world. Like Mammamaia said, we will always be more interested in and remember the bad (which is why news always talks about the bad) but there's a lot of good that we can focus on and promote.

[newguy]

Our perspectives of good and evil are swayed as easily as the balance of power is given from one hand to the other....

An example
if he (hitler) would have won, the vast majority would believe that jews deserve to be dead...

My point would be that We are as meek as sheep...
we do what we are told, and believe in what our leaders say...

[mammamaia]

Our perspectives of good and evil are swayed as easily as the balance of power is given from one hand to the other....

An example
if he (hitler) would have won, the vast majority would believe that jews deserve to be dead...

My point would be that We are as meek as sheep...
we do what we are told, and believe in what our leaders say...

and that's why 'evil' predominates in the human race and 'good' is the exception...

as for pov differences, i can't see how anyone can argue with the definition of 'evil' being 'the deliberate doing of harm to one's habitat or to any fellow creature'... and 'good' being a version of that wonderful line from hippocrates, 'doing no harm'...

new guy... i admire your courage and wisdom in accepting an unpleasant reality... bravo!

love and hugs, maia

[newguy]

Thanks mama...
i've learned to accept it through personal experience...


Life is cruel, and sometimes uncaring, But hope still remains, you've got to admit that as well...
We are not entirely helpless just sometimes ignorant to truth

[Max Vantage]

Thats why sometimes I like the idea in the movie Minority Report

Yeah, the problem with this is that Minority Report was FICTION! ;) :D :D :D

[Frost]

Yeah the world is messed up, but like any mess, it can be cleaned up if people just got off their *&$%* and actually did something about it for a change.

No.

Too many people dont want the right change, or dont want any change at all.

[The Freshmaker]

You know, in all of recorded history, there have been approximately two hundred years of peace, where no one was at war. That's not very much at all. And you know that during those short peaceful times, there were still sexual predators and murderers and bad people out doing their bad person thing. There will always be evil in the world. No one can change that. And we are a hell of a lot better off now than we were a few hundred years ago.

So there are two options here:

1.) You can be grateful for the good in the world
2.) You can lament the bad

Think of it this way: how can good exist without bad? Without evil, would we appreciate things like love and unity and beauty? No. Just like no one can be really happy if they've never been truly miserable. There's nothing to compare it to to identify it as good.

You can never take all the evil out of the world. The best course of action is to perpetuate and strengthen the good within it. Start by being positive. Being positive, believe it or not, does not mean that one is naive. When you're positive, people will listen to what you say, and they'll want to be around you. They'll draw from your positivity (?) and become positive themselves.

And isn't that in and of itself good?

[newguy]

Yeah, the problem with this is that Minority Report was FICTION!

hey it was just an idea!!!:) :p

[Max Vantage]

You know, in all of recorded history, there have been approximately two hundred years of peace, where no one was at war. That's not very much at all. And you know that during those short peaceful times, there were still sexual predators and murderers and bad people out doing their bad person thing. There will always be evil in the world. No one can change that. And we are a hell of a lot better off now than we were a few hundred years ago.

So there are two options here:

1.) You can be grateful for the good in the world
2.) You can lament the bad

Think of it this way: how can good exist without bad? Without evil, would we appreciate things like love and unity and beauty? No. Just like no one can be really happy if they've never been truly miserable. There's nothing to compare it to to identify it as good.

You can never take all the evil out of the world. The best course of action is to perpetuate and strengthen the good within it. Start by being positive. Being positive, believe it or not, does not mean that one is naive. When you're positive, people will listen to what you say, and they'll want to be around you. They'll draw from your positivity (?) and become positive themselves.

And isn't that in and of itself good?

Meh, duck and geese. I don't define my happiness against the definition of sadness. It' simply an emotion that you don't need misery for. Right now I don't exactly feel happy but I don't feel sad either. I'm just currently in equilibium.

I don't appreciate beauty by looking at ugliness as I know what beauty is to me.


1.) You can be grateful for the good in the world
2.) You can lament the bad

Number 1 is what is worth living for.
Number 2 is what's worth writing about. As a writer, you'd have to agree that if there was no such thing as number two our ambition wouldn't exist.

[mammamaia]

Quote:
Yeah the world is messed up, but like any mess, it can be cleaned up if people just got off their *&$%* and actually did something about it for a change.

No.

Too many people dont want the right change, or dont want any change at all.

sadly, frost is right...

[The Freshmaker]

Meh, duck and geese. I don't define my happiness against the definition of sadness. It' simply an emotion that you don't need misery for. Right now I don't exactly feel happy but I don't feel sad either. I'm just currently in equilibium.

I don't appreciate beauty by looking at ugliness as I know what beauty is to me.



Number 1 is what is worth living for.
Number 2 is what's worth writing about. As a writer, you'd have to agree that if there was no such thing as number two our ambition wouldn't exist.

I'm pretty much trying to say, acknowledge the bad but don't dwell on it. There's much more to be gained from perpetuating and spreading the good that is around us.

[Max Vantage]

I'm pretty much trying to say, acknowledge the bad but don't dwell on it.

Are you kidding me?!!! :eek: I don't dwell on what's bad in life...I OBSESS OVER IT!!! :D


There's much more to be gained from perpetuating and spreading the good that is around us.

';';';';';';';';';';';';';';';'; SPREADING THE LOVE VIBES ';';';';';';';';';';';';';'; :D

[Spherical Time]

There's a lot of good going on in the world, too, don't forget. Sure, the bad stuff is bad, but the good stuff is very good.

Cheers,
RobObviously I'm too late, but I was going to say that there's a quote from the movie version of Contact that this reminds me of:

"You're an interesting species. An interesting mix. You're capable of such beautiful dreams, and such horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone, only you're not. See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable, is each other."

[The Freshmaker]

A touching song about the troubles in the world. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eum-W589NIs)