Saddam to hang within the hour-ish

[Ferret]

So the Dictator of Iraq has been sentenced to death...by hanging. All legal manauvers avaible to him are gone. I heard that his death is going to televised... I'm not sure of that.
So I have no problem with his dying...but what the Hell? Hanging? Damn...how..."vulgar-uncivilized" is that shit?

[Raven]

Not for Him.
He's evil and evil needs stamping out. What he did to innocent people is just sick and I am glad that they chose to take his life from him by hanging. Many may disagree with me But when you've seen true suffering from this kind of Evil dictator you'll understand.

I will be happy to know this man is dead. Who knows one day these evil people will become a thing of history.



~Raven.

[Crazy Ivan]

Evil becoming a thing of history? Oh ho, surely you jest.

Evil will always be there. You can't fight evil. You can't have a war on terrorism. Sure, you can fight little acts of evil and stop certain acts of terrorism- but there is no way to have a war on the very concept of these things, to attempt and exterminate the idea of pain and misery.

Honestly, I don't think it matters if Saddam is hanged. I don't find it too disgusting- I lose all pity for him after seeing what he did. But I'm not one of the people going "woo yay Hussein's gonna get the noose whoopee hooray". It doesn't matter. Living your life in jail is as much of a life as death is. It affects none of us in any way whether he dies or not.

In short: I really don't care about this topic.

[Fiesty Kel]

I have 'issues' with the death penalty, but Saddam was so evil. Mixed feelings reading reports the hanging has been completed.

[Ferret]

So he has officaly died...

[Fiesty Kel]

According to news sites, it has been confirmed by the Iraqi Government that the hanging has taken place.

[The Freshmaker]

Who wants to take bets on when the video is leaked onto the internet?

[Max Vantage]

Who wants to take bets on when the video is leaked onto the internet?

It already has: http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=8dfb018f-2716-4fa2-8532-a33a79852f51&p=hotvideo_m_iraq&t=c2511&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/?GT1=8816&fg=

Albeit not in its entirety due to reasons of taste :rolleyes:

[Raven]

Now Justice has been served, for all those victims of his reign.
All those people he gased finally though they are dead have their justice. The only way this Evil could be dealt with was by execution.

I don't belive in killing people but I do believe in exercuting those that do not desrve to breath.




~Raven.

[mammamaia]

the sad thing is, justice was not achieved for the vast majority of his victims, because he was only tried for one of the smaller massacres he ordered...

many, many more surviving victims and families of those murdered will never have their day in court... not in facing and judging a living saddam, that is... some of his partners in crime still will be tried, but it's unfortunate that he won't have to face most of his accusers... hanging him so quickly gave him a pass...

the kurds, for one, may be rejoicing his death, but mourning the loss of their chance to have their suffering laid at his feet in an open court...

[Jack The Ripper]

Maybe so but I think its better he's dead now than the chance of his rescue from the impending civil war.
OK they wont have a day in court to face him but at least they know he has been tried and put to death for something. those that got gased will have really suffered.
Like Hulls Raven I was a soldier and i served in places where the things we saw still give me bad dreams.

So I have to say I'm glad Saddam is dead.








Your Old pal Jacky

[newguy]

Over all
Burn in hell

[Robert]

I don't belive in killing people but I do believe in exercuting those that do not desrve to breath.
Then stop kidding yourself. You believe in killing people.

Cheers,
Rob

[The Freshmaker]

It already has: http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=8dfb018f-2716-4fa2-8532-a33a79852f51&p=hotvideo_m_iraq&t=c2511&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/?GT1=8816&fg=

Albeit not in its entirety due to reasons of taste :rolleyes:

That's not the whole thing, silly.

I want to see him swinging.

[Max Vantage]

That's not the whole thing, silly.

I want to see him swinging.

lmfao! :D :D .....................:eek:



On a side note, I can't see the point in having the victims' families face him in court as mammamaia has said. It would only give him the opportunity to mock them. He is, or was, mad, after all.
He was defiant of the systematic process of justice right until the bitter end. He would not have shown any remorse whatsoever according to his public outbursts in that courtroom.

What I want to know is, what exactly would be going through his, or anyone else's mind when you're literally feet and seconds from the place and time of your own execution (other than, "oh shit!"). I'm not morbid, I found the video footage really creepy. But his repressed look of terror I found intriguing.

As an analogy, one can be as mad as a can of worms, but that doesn't detract a madman from still having a conscience.

[Robert]

I don't think he was mad. In the context of the society he grew up in, his behaviour is not that difficult to understand. It doesn't require madness.

Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

Oh come on! Killing many people is an act of sheer madness in any society. Madmen know what they're doing. They just don't give a shit, especially with Saddam.

[Robert]

Madmen know what they're doing.
Then perhaps our definitions of madness differ.

The newspaper was full of write-ups about him today, written in advance of his execution. Some of what was written was quite interesting. For example, it reports the tale of how, when he was young, someone in his native village was berated for walking unarmed, "Why do you affront God by walking without a weapon and thereby cause violence by tempting people to attack you?" It also talks about him being given his first gun at the age of 7. And how 20 years after killing his first victim he returned to the victim's family and handed over blood-money in accordance with tribal tradition.

That particular article is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2523647,00.html

As I say, placed in context, I don't think he was necessarily mad. But your definition of mad and mine might well differ.

Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

Same tabloids reported him sitting in a nice comfy chair with a big, fat cigar in one hand and a huge glass of wine in the other.
Then he watched while his hemchmen fed a political rival slowly headfirst into a grinder...just for laughs.

Wanna debate some more on the semantics of madness and its origins?

We all have many reasons from our childhoods why we could kill someone.

[Robert]

Same tabloids reported him sitting in a nice comfy chair with a big, fat cigar in one hand and a huge glass of wine in the other.
Then he watched while his hemchmen fed a political rival slowly headfirst into a grinder...just for laughs.

If it was reported in some tabloids, it must be true. You win.


Wanna debate some more on the semantics of madness and its origins?

No. It would consume too much time and neither of us would budge an inch on our opinions. Sooner or later the discussion would deteriorate into petty bickering and then open insults. And you'd still be wrong.


We all have many reasons from our childhoods why we could kill someone.
Prove it.

Cheers,
Rob

[Fiesty Kel]

Most of us think terrorists are mad.. they don't. I can't get my head around how any of them think that taking lives balances things out or is the right thing to do... I guess its a good thing I cant understand it.

I don't know if those capable of what is, to me at least, pure evil, are mad. TO ME, it is madness, but is it? According to who? Maybe we all have different ideas or standards, and maybe its different to everyone. Obviously there is a huge discrepancy between what I and many terrorists think is right and wrong.

I cannot imagine what goes through his mind. I think he was arrogant enough to think he was a martyr for his cause, and I think he would have been proud of himself for that right to the end. I also think that surely on some level, he was absolutely terrified. THAT part to me is the justice part. Making him feel that terror.

I still can't feel okay with taking another life, I am not sure what it achieves for humanity. But I don't have a good alternative either... for some reason, simply imprisoning him would have worried me (escape, early release, whatever..)

[Ferret]

Robert, are you saying he wasnt a murdering bastard?

[Raven]

Then stop kidding yourself. You believe in killing people.

Cheers,
Rob

Well i guess when you word it like that I do. (So I'll rephrase My words I believe in exercutinng those that are truly evil and deserving of the death penalty.)
I know many of you will disagree with that but it is my feelings on the subject.




~Raven.

[Fiesty Kel]

I think that Raven & Jack, to have seen the result of his evil firsthand... I don't know, sort of makes me think the rest of us are just postulating really.

[Max Vantage]

If it was reported in some tabloids, it must be true. You win.

Oh geez, not this again. Okay, just for you (and quoting you!):


The newspaper was full of write-ups about him today, etc, etc.


Cheers,
Max

[Max Vantage]

Robert, are you saying he wasnt a murdering bastard?

No, he simply doesn't like people not seeing from his point of view. When his comments are called up by others he tries in vain to counteract them with requoting lesser comments to argue something of lesser importance.

[Robert]

Robert, are you saying he wasnt a murdering bastard?
Can you provide a direct quote where I said that?

[Robert]

Oh geez, not this again. Okay, just for you (and quoting you!):
Oh, so I already won this one?

[Robert]

No, he simply doesn't like people not seeing from his point of view. When his comments are called up by others he tries in vain to counteract them with requoting lesser comments to argue something of lesser importance.
Ah, down to that again Max. I guess we're done here then. Did I change your opinion?

Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

No, he simply doesn't like people not seeing from his point of view. When his comments are called up by others he tries in vain to counteract them with requoting lesser comments to argue something of lesser importance.


Oh, so I already won this one?


Ah, down to that again Max. I guess we're done here then. Did I change your opinion?

Case in point. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Max.

[Robert]

Case in point. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Max.
Oh, you think I want to engage you in serious debate? And what? More accusatory statements from you, like the one a couple of posts back? Or maybe you'll refer to everyone who posted before you as amateurs again, instead. Whatever, Max. Like I said earlier:

Sooner or later the discussion would deteriorate into petty bickering and then open insults.

It's how you behave.

Cheers,
Rob

[Max Vantage]

Case in point. :rolleyes:

Cheers,
Max.

[Raven]

Now now no insulting please.
Remeber everyone has a point of view. It helps if we respect each others views, whether we agree with them or not.





~Raven.

[Jack The Ripper]

I think that Raven & Jack, to have seen the result of his evil firsthand... I don't know, sort of makes me think the rest of us are just postulating really.


More than you realise.
Some of the things that I have seen were bad and Trust me when you see a woman burnt and charred hanging on her front door still smouldering your thoughts regarding these evil bastards is somewhat of you'd happily see these bastards killed even by your own hand.


I agree with everything raven has said regarding Saddam.






Your Old Pal Jacky.

[Crazy Ivan]

Oh come on! Killing many people is an act of sheer madness in any society. Madmen know what they're doing. They just don't give a shit, especially with Saddam.

Hitler wasn't mad, he was extremely logical.

Which is infinitely scarier.

[Ferret]

And what does Hitlers mental state have to do with Saddam?

[ariella]

Saddam was a very cruel human indeed, he had done so much wrong in this world, I wonder if he didn't anything right though, any good deeds?

The fact that he has been hung, well gee...wow! I don't personally want to see the footage, I do not find pleasure in seeing people die, I've seen enough of that already.

I guess in a way his death may help to ease the sufferring of many people, hopefully bringing them some peace of mind and help them to get on with the rest of their lives.

So if his death truely does help at least one person that has sufferred by his cruel and wicked ways then I am glad it has been done.

[The Freshmaker]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=863ce7d4a3

There it is, for anyone who is interested. The full hanging. Someone recorded it on a cell phone camera. You see him fall at 1min, 38sec. Then it goes black for a few, and you see his body hanging...

[newguy]

he's dead no more things to discuss

[Robert]

he's dead no more things to discuss
Sure there are ... conspiracy theories? Do you think he's really dead? What if ...

[Raven]

Oh start a new thread for that. :) lol







~Raven.

[newguy]

Why would he be kept alive??
the u.S.
is virtually in control of all iraq...
No wmds, No nuclear threat, just a puppet government
and a rejoicing, broken nation

[The Freshmaker]

He looked pretty dead.

[Ferret]

If you ask me the Mossad killed him....