Fair Warning

[IndianaJoan]

I have been away a few days. My girlfriend went back to Sweden and I spent some time out of town.

I come back to a complete mess.

Consider this fair warning. I am NOT going to tolerate anymore crap.

Here are a few rules to follow. If you dont, then expect to be banned because I am not going to allow this forum to turn into some sort of immature, social gossipy, angst ridden forum. The rules are simple and I dont believe too much to ask.

1. If you have nothing "constructive" to offer when u read a piece of work, then SAY nothing. I dont want to see any more people calling people names based on something they write or just generally insulting the work. Critique it without insulting it.

2. No more swearing in the open forums. I dont wanna see ONE F U C K directed at another person or persons EVER again. If you cannot respond in a thread without using offensive language, then keep your trap shut. I am not talking about mild swearing...I am talking about hardcore words...and you ALL are smart enough to use good judgement. I am also not talking about language used within a piece of work. That is acceptable provided u include some kind of warning that it contains adult subject matter.

3. If you are having trouble with someone messaging you privately, simply put them on ignore. I have no idea what the heck has been going on in the backgrounds here that got you all so riled up, but I am seriously fed up with the crap.

I dont want this to be some sort of crap soap opera forum so I am going to clean house if thats what it takes.

For those of you who post your work here and do so because you love to write and love to have people read it, then i sincerely apologize that you have had to tolerate all this garbage. Report any problems to me or another Mod and they will be dealt with as quickly as possible. And again, I am terribly sorry.

Let this be a final warning. Knock off the crap or reap the consequences.

[Robert]

I sympathise, IndianaJoan. Still, you might be better off targetting your anger specifically at those involved rather than lashing out in a general rant complete with heavy-handed threats. It doesn't give a very good impression. Being a moderator can be a tough job, but the membership expects the moderators to be up to the task and not to lose it. Once you guys start losing it, it's time to abandon ship.

Good luck getting things sorted.

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

I think in all fairness Indianajoan has a good reason to be angry.
I fully agree with Indy's post and actions.
I'm not fully aware myself of whats started this arguement between members.
Indianajoan has a very hard enough job as it is. And I fully belive she ismore than upto the task.








~Raven.

[bicker]

I'll put whatever the hell I like in my reviews thank you.

[Jack The Ripper]

Well the thing is things kick of when other weird members post sick things on the forum like songs potraying incest and what i like to call borderline pedophile stuff.

I wont name them but one in particular is ruining things for others that poster constantly use's the F.~! wordin most of the posts that user replies to or creates. its disgusting and annouying.

Accusing other memebers of arguing is miss placed. This was a clean forum and thats why it worked. But now members are allowed to post garbage sicko stuff I mean the pedophile type of stuff well it borders on that word. It is wrong.

This is something I strongly believe in that is my religion. that is why i feel strongly.
But Indianajoan you cannot punish those that don't like this material. But you need some sort of censor. and i dont mean for bad language we all do that i mean the freaky stuff.






Yor Old Pal Jacky O Ripper

[IndianaJoan]

I'll put whatever the hell I like in my reviews thank you.

First off, you missed the point. If your review is constructive, then by all means put what you want in it be it negative or positive.

The key word is CONSTRUCTIVE. I do not want to see comments such as "wow this is really disgusting" because it servers NO purpose other than to instigate problems.

[IndianaJoan]

Well the thing is things kick of when other weird members post sick things on the forum like songs potraying incest and what i like to call borderline pedophile stuff.

I wont name them but one in particular is ruining things for others that poster constantly use's the F.~! wordin most of the posts that user replies to or creates. its disgusting and annouying.

Accusing other memebers of arguing is miss placed. This was a clean forum and thats why it worked. But now members are allowed to post garbage sicko stuff I mean the pedophile type of stuff well it borders on that word. It is wrong.

This is something I strongly believe in that is my religion. that is why i feel strongly.
But Indianajoan you cannot punish those that don't like this material. But you need some sort of censor. and i dont mean for bad language we all do that i mean the freaky stuff.






Yor Old Pal Jacky O Ripper

Religion is subjective and what is offensive to one may not be offensive to another. As long as work here that has explicit tendencies is labeled in the thread title as such, it is allowed and I for one will never censor anything. As a human being I have free will which gives me the choice to read or not to read something. If the title says its explicit, and you have religious issues, I would suggest that you not read it. If one particular writer writes things that offend you, then I suggest you avoid reading materials by said person.

Other than that, I am sorry to say that I will not ban a person simply because I or someone else considers the writing "offensive" or "disgusting".

[IndianaJoan]

I sympathise, IndianaJoan. Still, you might be better off targetting your anger specifically at those involved rather than lashing out in a general rant complete with heavy-handed threats. It doesn't give a very good impression. Being a moderator can be a tough job, but the membership expects the moderators to be up to the task and not to lose it. Once you guys start losing it, it's time to abandon ship.

Good luck getting things sorted.

Cheers,
Rob

There are far too many people to spend my entire nights sending PM's about this stuff. In general there seems to be a problem here and I am going to take care of it. No threat involved. It's a guarantee meant to safeguard those of us who come here because we love to write and want to share that with other writers.

I'm not angry, I am simply not going to allow this kind of stuff to continue because it totally destroys the integrity of this place. I want people to visit and to want to stay. In order to do that, we need to present a nice, tolerant and peaceful environment where people can feel free to share their work and talk about writing in general without feeling bullied or insulted by other members.

And I beg to differ, I have not lost it. I am just making it very clear that I'm not going to allow this to continue. This is not high school, this is a writing forum. Heavy handed or not, I guess thats just the way it is for now.

If the message applies to you, then so be it, if it does not, well then you havent a thing to worry about. I am truly sorry that you consider it heavy handed and harsh but I feel at this point that there are some problems that need to be addressed.

[Robert]

There are far too many people to spend my entire nights sending PM's about this stuff.
With respect, that's a cop out. The number of people involved was not huge. If you wear the moderator hat, people expect you to moderate, but to do so in a fair and reasonable manner.


I'm not angry
You sound it. Re-read your post.


And I beg to differ, I have not lost it.
Whether you feel you did or not, that is how you came across.


If the message applies to you, then so be it, if it does not, well then you havent a thing to worry about.
What, you mean you don't know? Doesn't that illustrate my point? You didn't deal with the people involved, you launched an angry rant.

No-one is arguing with your goal. We all want a forum fit for use. As moderator, you have an important role to play. You represent the forum management. How you conduct yourself matters. Your post does nothing to inspire confidence.

I guess I'd better "shut my trap" before you "clean house" or I'll "reap the consequences."

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

I guess I'd better "shut my trap" before you "clean house" or I'll "reap the consequences."

Cheers,
Rob

Come on now. That was totally un-called for Rob,and you know it. Its replies like that that spike a persons back up.

I fully agree with what Indianajoan has posted.

It sounds to me that your picking an arguement with Indianajoan.







~Raven.

[Robert]

Come on now. That was totally un-called for Rob,and you know it. Its replies like that that spike a persons back up.

I fully agree with what Indianajoan has posted.

It sounds to me that your picking an arguement with Indianajoan.

~Raven.
You're entitled to your opinion, Raven, and I fully respect that. I don't ask that you agree with me.

As for picking an argument, I take it we're allowed to express our opinions freely in such a thread? I've made my points, I've explained why, it's not as if I'm arguing for the heck of it.

Cheers,
Rob

[Fiesty Kel]

Such is forum life. Ill stick my head back in the sand I think.

[Ferret]

This comes at a good time...
There was has been what, three posts of nothing but links to porn in the last week or two?

[IndianaJoan]

Robert I am sorry that you disagree with me. I am sorry that the warning offended you.

I have been PMd about quite a few people and i do NOT spend my entire day here as I have children and other obligations. When I log on here, I never have time to just read stuff anymore. I have to spend it chasing, deleting and editing bad links/threads.

I am not going to spend my day PMing back and forth with a rather large group of users about this. THis problem has presented itself more than once and I have continually pushed for decency when critiquing which has not happened (not everyone has abused this of course, but its happening frequently by many users.

I have worked hard to keep things clean here considering i have a job and full time children. I have banned only one actual user that wasnt a spambot in all the time I have been here and I do NOT take banning lightly.

I appreciate that you want to talk about this and thats fine. We can agree to disagree, but to infer that I would ban you for questioning me is an unfair assumption on my character.

I asked for decency to be used several times to no avail and I got tired of PMing people. I stand by my decision.

[Raven]

As for picking an argument, I take it we're allowed to express our opinions freely in such a thread? I've made my points, I've explained why, it's not as if I'm arguing for the heck of it.

Cheers,
Rob

Well I'll give you that you have made your point. Personally I don't understand why you felt the need to make a point.
However.
Its is your opinion and I too respect a persons single opinion. But the Moderators Indianajoan are doing what you think they should be doing. Taking in hand the issues at hand and sorting them out.










~Raven.

[Sf Gr3y]

I think he definitely overreacted, but let him be human guys. Plus, overreacting back isn't helping anyone, that's how flame wars begin.

[Crazy Ivan]

lol, it's funny because you all seem to think there's difficulty in grasping this concept.

It's really quite easy: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. You can give criticism as long as there is niceness in it. It can't all be "raar you suck", but it can be "I didn't like that, but that was quite good."

Make sense?

Good.

[Hellbent]

This place isn't that bad...I mean sure people over reacted to that one poem about rape, and there are one too many whiners, but don't take away my right to use my favorite word.

PLEASE!

I have fruit snacks, I can share.

How about this, no more personal problems in the lounge. If you have a personal problem and need to talk about it to somebody, go to the admin or keep them to yourself. 'Cause more than likely somebody's going to say something that's going to offend you.

I'm having trouble with my dog.

Dude, your dog's gay.

Is not. My dog can beat up your dog!

::Is not. My dog can beat up your dog::
Go back to Kendergarden, you child.

::Kendergarden::
It's kindergarten you fuckin' stupid-shit. Obviously you need to go back there.

Eat, my ass!

See, that's what happens, 90% of the time when you bring personal problems into the internet realm. It's no different here. Some people are immature, others get offended way too easily. I definately don't.

So if I've made anybody go poopy in there pants, I apologize- but not really.:D

[Hellbent]

This comes at a good time...
There was has been what, three posts of nothing but links to porn in the last week or two?

Yeah, that's a bit out of line. If you like looking at porn (which I certainly do) that's your own business. Personally I think people who indulge in that shit have problems (which I certainly do) and need to get a girlfriend (I've got a blow up doll...does that count?) But it's one of those things that are...I guess private. And it's damn right rude to post links on a site that doesn't tolerate such a thing. It's...it's...internet vandalism- that's what!

[The Freshmaker]

I enjoy porn.

[Onoria Westhrop]

I'm not a fan of censorship, and some of the stuff I like reading raises eyebrows on the train in the morning, but I remember clicking an "I agree" box on my way into this site.

If you don't agree, go somewhere else.

Whatever the right to free speech guarantees, it doesn't guarantee the right to an intelligent and sensitive audience to listen and understand. It's much more difficult to cultivate the latter than the former - and there's no point having the one without the other.

So, I support the moderators stance on this. We should be more respectful of the communities general interests.
There's a time and a place for Mireabeau Octavo, Sade and Masoch - much as I enjoyed The Torture Garden, I wouldn't post pages of it on the walls of a high school.

[Nexus]

OK. Ive not been active lately in my reviewing but I have kept a close eye on the situation at hand. I agree with Indiana to a point so I will explain myself:

1. NO SWEARING at all, this is absolutely unacceptable (unless of course the item reviewed is absolutely terrible IN WHICH 99% OF THE TIME IT IS NOT)

2. I find no Problems with bickering as Its a way to deal with problems. IF it causes SWEARING and pointless insults, then it will be delt with. If you wish to alert the moderators to an issue then I am completely free to anything. I LOVE ARGUEMENTS. So from now on I WILL DEAL WITH BICKERING. If you are angry because someone put something rude in a review of your work then I dont care, unless its terrible. It says somewhere that you need to be able to take a beating with the reviews, if you dont want critisicm THEN DONT POST ANYTHING.

3. Icky Yucky stuff is A BIG BIG NO NO. Do not post anything up here that is or has a link to anything more than M15+ etc. I find naughty stuff in the Recycle bin every day, might I remind people its a Writing Site?

4. POINTLESSLY ANNOYING IS POINTLESS. for example, Bicker, might find himself banned. Earlier in this topic he posted "I'll put whatever the hell I like in my reviews thank you". Although he used manners its a perfect example of something that should not have been posted unless it was explained and justified. That is the sort of thing that irritates me.

5. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER Plagiarise. Enough said? Thats the naughtiest naughty of the naughty's and I believe is an instant ban?

6. I have many things to say but It turns out I forgot about a lot of it so SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE VERY LUCKY. I am going to start keeping a list of offenders and the forums they posted the offending stuff in, be ready.


P.S. Indiana, I think your first post was a little over the limit....though it was kinda called for. Please dont swear in it? If you dont want to take the evil's then just dont. I myself enjoy dealing with irritants, so please put the load on me if you wish. Also, I may mention that whenever someone says "this will not continue" like you did, it continues anyway.
The moderators must always take a measured stance on this Indiana, never even look like we lose our control. Its how things work.

P.S.S. I know I contradicted myself back there saying that moderators should stay in control and the fact that my very message reeks or strangeness tells otherwise. IGNORE THE STRANGENESS.


To complete this I hope in my ramblings I have taken away a load from the moderators.

[ariella]

Yes well I think her post was definately called for. You go girl!!!

[Fiesty Kel]

.

I'm having trouble with my dog.

Dude, your dog's gay.

Is not. My dog can beat up your dog!

::Is not. My dog can beat up your dog::
Go back to Kendergarden, you child.

::Kendergarden::
It's kindergarten you fuckin' stupid-shit. Obviously you need to go back there.

Eat, my ass!

See, that's what happens, 90% of the time when you bring personal problems into the internet realm. It's no different here. Some people are immature, others get offended way too easily. I definately don't.

So if I've made anybody go poopy in there pants, I apologize- but not really.:D

Huh????

[Fiesty Kel]

Ya know, this thread has pretty much turned me off this site. I dont know what that last mod post was about, but I dont think I can scratch myself without getting in trouble.

I just wanted somewhere to come and share writing and get some feedback. Instead theres this whiney crap to wade through. Its disappointing, and its doing none of you any favours, mods and owners included.

I feel like I am back in high school. What a let down this experience has been, and it didnt have to be this way at all. :(

[Nexus]

Fiesty. I know where you are coming from but it could have been said a little differently without the biting comments, as you haven't been at the site very long.

My last post was designed to cut off most of the arguement and help out the moderators. I know it wasn't going to finish the arguement BUT I hope it helped.


My post was whiny, but It didn't say you cant do a thing. I agree that you may be disappointed but instead you should be helping. Scolding the idiots and posting nice reviews and all. Also, Im still in High School so dont dis it!!! (although I understand the meaning of the comment)

You say "I just wanted somewhere to come and share writing and get some feedback. Instead theres this whiney crap to wade through" THEN JUST SHARE SOME WRITING AND GET SOME FEEDBACK. You dont have to wade through the whining, if you dont want to then dont?

I know you may be upset, but what you just did is hindering more than it helps. I know the whining may not be helping out the Mod's on an outside level but if you look closer its telling everyone exacting whats happening.

My role in this, simply enough, Is to inspire the members to help (not hinder) and to take load off the moderators.

Now, lets get off this subject and get to writing!!!!!!!!!

[Fiesty Kel]

Are you serious??? You think THAT is biting??? That confirms the point I was making. What would other newbies to the site think if they read this first?
And just because I haven't been here long, does that make me unqualified to comment???

I just feel that perhaps this site isn't for me, it feels somewhat less mature with all this stuff going on (and there have been other threads and I only joined what, 2 weeks ago???) and as such, I am disappointed. If you don't get this sort of feedback, you can't use it, so I am sharing.

[Jack The Ripper]

Yes well I don't care whether you post an explicit or not if you write pedo and incest stuff that stuff shouldn't be tolerated at all. its sick no denying that.
the explicit is a good idea but the pedo incest stuff isn't if you accept that then its wrong too. people like that have no place in society and should not be allowed to post stuff like that explicit warning or not.

This is my opinion i don't want a flaming for this by that i mean no personal attacks against me. thank you very much.







Jacky O Ripper

[Princes]

Though it pains me to say this I'm in agreement with Jack.
Perverts like that shouldn't be allowed. fullstop.
This member Katherine is sick and its wrong.

[Cloudrunner]

i got some sick pms from her and she says sick stuff on msn about little kids.
thats dangerous talk i dont want be part of that.

[Princes]

she asked me if i like incest and kids because i like vampires and gothic metal.
But I ain't weird like that not in any way.
She has said some bad stuff about that world i don't wanna be a part of that shit is bad.

[Cloudrunner]

that is bad.
She asked me what i thought about incest then rabbled on about asian kids i ain't reapeting it either.

[Jack The Ripper]

She's a pedophil alright she said to me on msn last night she likes doing things with ten year olds.
Thats sick and its time this forum addressed the matter that they have a pedophil named Katherine as a member.
It angers me that she is still here.
And its others that are getting told off. well she needs reporting to the law.

[Cloudrunner]

The dirty sod.
Thats disgusting that she can abuse kids and the incest.
Sick person.
I'm outta here and deleting my work.

[Jack The Ripper]

Yes well I think my stay here is at an end I can't be part of something that unlocks pedos threads and supports them staying that tarnishes my reputation

[Cloudrunner]

I agree.
To the rest of you good luck with your writing. but I can't stick around while Pedophiles are allowed to stay. Sorry but thats how I feel. Its a shame I kinda liked it here.

[poetryliberates]

well to hell with it, i was once happy here myself, until i started getting an influx of pms from some sick and twisted emo freak, who in fact told me my poetry sucked and i should just give up, now theres child tampering sickos, and total a-holes in here that do nothing but try their damn hardest to bring everyone down. im sick and tired of this shit, and im out of here too. for those of you who have done nothing wrong by me, i apologise sincerely for the outburst, and i wish you luck with your writing. for those of you who have infuriated me, or tried to fuck with my head, and to all of you pedos out there, i hope you go to jail one day, and get ass raped until you end up in hell, and there you shall forever burn in your self pity

SEE YA LATER

FUCKERS

Nikki

[Xentrobis]

And thats why I left.
And now will not return.

[Nexus]

I cant believe it? You people are leaving because they're are some sicko's around? For god sake, if you really liked the site then stay around! Dont let them ruin it, they aren't actually causing you any damaging problems.
If someone can give me links to the profiles of people like this then I will do something about it if no one else will.

I know I can act like an idiot cause I say my heart and the message above is an example, but if I had a couple of losers on another website I just joined i would lobby to have them kicked off. I would post links to their profiles in my Signature and tell all the mod's. Please, dont go, dont let them ruin your stay here!!!

[Jack The Ripper]

Peotry I couldn't have put it better myself.
This sick shit is a pedophile and That makes me ill I'll be gutted to leave but I have made that decission to go.
I'm going to delet my work to as are other members.
Soon this forum will be a ghost town again with one added bonus it will have its own resident pedophil called katherine.
sickos need to do one thing burn BURN in hell.

Good luck to the rest of you. hope to see you all on other writing forums.
As for the Moderators their just as sick for allowing this pedo to stay and unlocking their threads was the final straw.
the pms this sick bitch ahs sent and still she is still here.
Good luck all I will NOT BE RETURNING again.

[Nexus]

Jack, that was foul. Anyway, I cant judge as I haven't seen myself what Katherine can do.

I tell you one thing.

I am personally going to get her deleted and banned from ever coming back here again!

YOU HEAR ME

KATHERINE IS AS GOOD AS GONE!!!

And Jack? How dare you judge the moderators. HOW DARE YOU tell me that they are as sick as this thing. HOW DARE YOU. I dont know why they did it or what happened but YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to blame us Moderators for that. Every single Moderator I know on this site is a great person and is certainly not A GOD DAMN PEDEPHILE.

And beyond that, you wishing this site to become a "ghost town"? WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO WRITE ON THE SITE. THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T QUITTING.

Im sorry I lost my temper and I know I shouldnt have, but I couldnt bring myself to take this off.

[Robert]

Everyone should stay and let the moderators deal with it. I don't know anything about Katherine being into that stuff so I can't comment on it, but if that's the case, take it to the moderators.

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

Well this is a sad day.
A mass exodus of members.
I don't know what to say All was fine until Katherine came to the forum and now all this. I am annouyed by this i hoped posting an explicit thread would help matters but obviously not.
I'm sorry to hear that everyone is chooseing to leave.
I'm not really sure how to reply or what to say. But the law does need contacting about her. thats the sensible thing to do.





~Raven.

[Robert]

Has her account been deleted? I can't see it.

[Nexus]

No Robert, I have no power to delete her account, im sorry.

BUT

She has been permanently banned by my own hand.


KATHERINE IS GONE

[Raven]

So thats enough Reason for people to stay.
Leaving now makes no sense.
OK she did some damage but now she has gone this forum is a good community members actually help one another.

[Hellbent]

well she should be banned. Before you enter this site is says in big bold letters, NO PEDOPHILES ALLOWED...

...well in so many words. But...I think if I were in charge and it was brought to my attention that a pedophile was running around on my site, then I would take action. I would nuke the fart out of 'em.

Ha-ha...you're all insane.

[Robert]

Let's hope that stops the exodus.

Cheers,
Rob

[poetryliberates]

she may be banished from this forum, but the fact remains that she still exists, i know in all reality we have no power to do anything, but as a person who was sexually abused as a child..i believe that she needs to be reported to authoroties. i know personally on a level that some never will, that a scar on a childs mind, will never fade.

the children need to be protected from her, and all of those like her

nikki

[Robert]

Any individual here can go to the authorities if they believe Katherine has done something to warrant it.

Cheers,
Rob

[ariella]

Yeah but have you thought maybe it is too late. The damage may have been done. I don't know what to think about all of this. It is horrible what is going on, but my thoughts over this matter I will not say nor my opinion either.
I hoope this forum can get back to where it was before all of this had started, cause it is/was a really fabulous forum.
I feel sorry for Lpspider this is the forum he started andnow look at what it has become. Sorry Lpspider...
I understand if you ban me from this forum and I will not complain at all.
Thankyou for the time here though it is a great forum.

[Raven]

Give her IP address to the police they will then trace her.
She shouldn't be allowed her freedom but the sensible thing is to contact the authorities they will track her IP address and then investigate her and her hardrive the moment they find one thing they will cuff her.

This is such a bad thing to happen.



~Raven.

[Robert]

The forum will recover. People just need to get back to writing and critting. I've seen other forums go through stuff like this. Just stay and carry on with the good stuff.

Cheers,
Rob

[Nexus]

Ok, news update.

I HAVE DELETED EVERY POST KATHERINE MADE
Took a darn while as well.....

Ok, I am going to personally trace her I.P and if no one elsewill I will get into contact with the authorities. My fear is that they cant do anything about it because of the nature of the abuse. The luck is that as long as she isnt deleted...
DONT DELETED KATHERINE
We have evidence. If anyone still has PM's about it then please keep them.
Im only in the low years of high school, im likely to be ignored. Someone older needs to mention her to the authorities.

[Xentrobis]

Well Rob I hope your right.
This sick stuff is wrong. and does harm. I left because I couldn't be part of this it will take me time to start replying again.

But like Poetry and Raven have said contact the law get this bitch locked up

[Raven]

Nexus I have some PMs from her.
Will they help
and you will not be ignored by the authorities they take this kind of thing very seriously very much so.

let me know if the PMs i have will help you.

[Swiper]

Wow High DramaFTW1101291212!!!!

*That was ironic*

It actually reminds me of childish games...

Rules are neede, and she was... from what I believe either deranged or a fantasist.

Telling me that she killed 2 guys in a highschool shootout, was raped, had friends murdered etc...

Sounds far too BS

[Nexus]

Yes, Hulls Raven, that would be excellent to keep them. Would you mind sending them to me, I need a better idea of what she has done.

Also, I may have to refer the police to some of you guys because I really have very little knowledge of what Katherine has been doing.

[Robert]

Well Rob I hope your right.
This sick stuff is wrong. and does harm. I left because I couldn't be part of this it will take me time to start replying again.
Sure, that's understandable. But stick around, start posting again and play a part in getting the forum back to normal ;)

Cheers,
Rob

[Xentrobis]

Then so be it.
I'll stick around I have some pms too. by the way the y are insulting me but they are pms

[ariella]

Yeah as long as everyone don't get booted over this lot.

[Nexus]

Thanks for your support in all this and Im glad to help. I have just enquired to my local police on what to do about this and hope to recieve an answer soon.

Everyone hold tight to those messages, we may need them!

[Swiper]

I guess she added people on MSN - like myslef and tried to well... Insert her fantasies upon us?

I was frankly skeptical - after meeting someone wth major psycoligical issues at uni - who was a fantisist. Indeed a highly explosive one in my opinion... *I now - like most people avoid him.*

Frankly I would offer you any saved MSN convos but frankly its mostly one mad raving deluded, confused monologue. Andhence I believe she is not a pedophile. Just deranged.

Or if she is even a she. Hell I could be Bin Laden, enjoying a night out on the town whilst smoking some crack and jerking off a camel.

And remember she is 'BASED' in Canada.

[Xentrobis]

Finally.

[Nexus]

Swiper, that may be useful those conversations! Please do keep them!

And yes, you have a point with the identity thing.

[Jack The Ripper]

Yes finally something has been done finally a mod has addressed the problem at hand.
Im sorry Nexus for my words against you moderators. I am sorry.
But Pedophiles are serious shit and need addressing Indianajoan unlocked her threads christ thats wrong members have warned about ketherine and yet still she remained. I thank you for what you have done.
Yes now let the police deal with her Like raven said they will get to the bottom of this.







Jacky O Ripper

[Nexus]

http://www.dshield.org/ipinfo.php?ip=66.188.110.209&Submit=Submit
Here is a link to her I.P details if anyone can discern any information from it.

[Swiper]

I'll dig forhem this evening since its on my dad's pc amd I'm not sure I saved them

[Robert]

I can appreciate the discomfort felt by those people who experienced sickening PMs or MSN conversations with Katherine, though I was never involved in any of that. As far as writing is concerned, though, writers often choose to write about the less comfortable aspects of life and it's important that they should continue to do so. Of course, an online forum such as this, which may have many young members, has to consider what is acceptable content and what is not. Sometimes writing about uncomfortable topics is going to provoke a response. Still, that doesn't necessarily mean such writing should not be permitted. Adult or offensive content needs to be adequately marked so that people are warned what to expect. There's a big difference between being a paedophile and using paedophilia as a theme in a piece of writing.

Cheers,
Rob

[Jack The Ripper]

She was a pedaphile i don't want to go further than that sorry but the stuff she did last night was sick on msn with her pics very fucking sick.
Like Raven and poertyliberates said Report her IP

[ariella]

Maybe start a thread for that kind of stuff and have a password for it so that you can only go into it if you want to and have receieved permission and the password. I seen it on another forum somewhere along the way.
for the explicit stuff i mean. not for the sicko stuff.

[Robert]

Yeah, good suggestion Ari, have the explicit stuff somewhere where it can't be accidentally read.

Cheers,
Rob

[ariella]

I think it may solve a lot of probs for everyone and make mods jobs easier to monitor the explicit stuff. But everyone has to pitch in and help them, report stuff that is distasteful and explain why. Just like with the spam stuff.

[Nexus]

Oh yes Jack. I am reporting far more than her IP, I am reporting her actions as well.

Lucky for her I found that banning her does not stop her reading the message board and she is reading this very topic. I added her to MSN and had a little chat, serves her right.
http://i13.tinypic.com/2v9ac01.jpg

Ariella, I dont think that would work? If people think its sick then they just shouldnt look at it.

As far as the mod watching that sort of stuff, Its hard. You can report the topics but there are too many of them

[Raven]

I agree with that.
Personnally I never felt the need to use constant bad Language in my lyrics.
I've nothing against that if its talented.
But the other stuff is wrong and I just hope those members that announced their departure come back.





~Raven.

[poetryliberates]

Maybe start a thread for that kind of stuff and have a password for it so that you can only go into it if you want to and have receieved permission and the password. I seen it on another forum somewhere along the way.
for the explicit stuff i mean. not for the sicko stuff.


i fully agree with this

[Robert]

Ariella, I dont think that would work? If people think its sick then they just shouldnt look at it.
I think it would work. The problem with don't look/don't see is that often by the time you know it's sick you've looked at it already.


As far as the mod watching that sort of stuff, Its hard. You can report the topics but there are too many of them
Have more moderators.

Cheers,
Rob

[Raven]

To be honest why do people need to read that this is a forum about writing fair enough but if you like porn then go to a porn site sorry but you find porn at a porn site.

As for the language it was never an issue here until katherine arrived.
Now she has gone It shouldn't be an issue again.






~Raven.

[Frost]

Exscuse me please people INCREASE THE PEACE yo.

Seriously man.
People tore into indiana for over reacting but now people are deleting work and legging it from teh forums because one or two people are being lame? Kinda seems like an over reaction to me.

For the short time ive been here, Ive had no problems. I admit that katherine chick was a bit strange, but you know your going to get that occassionally.

Mods do their jobs. Trust in them pls :)

And otherwise, everyone just relax. Btw, nexus I joined your forum. Anyone who voted yes for the RP in the suggestions thing should to.

[Nexus]

Exactly. Still, I never thought that the problem was mostly one person.

If anyone ever has problems again, just PM me. I know I seem inactive but its just because I dont have time to pointlessly post or do my complex Reviews. I certainly have time to flatten out issues!

[Frost]

And in the mean time, get back to your RP forum and tell me how Im going so far with my application thing. I've gotta finish the history and sample RP but they take more time.

[Nexus]

Wow, thanks Frost! Damn, its nice to see some good people out their! Everything Frost said is completely valid though I forgot why I didnt say it myself, lol.!

[Frost]

Heh, no worries man :)
Theres enough hating in the world, there doesn't need to be more in an internet forum.

[Magnum Opus]

Right, I haven't been here very long, no more than two weeks, but I am indeed no rookie when it comes to forum, or things of that nature, having been mod on several, and ran a few. I'm not trying to say I am better than anyone person here because frankly I'm not. I have been sucked into these type of things before, but in that I learned something a bit useful.

It's the internet, no matter how useful, or beneficial a site is there will be a problematic seedy underbelly, I don't care what site you are on.

Next, this is to Nexus, in the most respectful way possible. You mentioned, with some great trepidation, that people were leaving. Here's the thing, it happens, they come and they go, there is nothing you can do about it. When people get their feelings the least bit hurt, they bolt no matter how much we protest.

Censorship, where it's a big issue to many, it isn't to other. This won't become better, or easier to deal with either, the longer the site is up, the more it grows, and as a site with artistic liberties, especially one such as writing, you have to expect materials that are going to be less than acceptable to many. It is an issue that is unshakable, unless you wish to create a forum that is limiting beyond its original intent.

Like one poster said, create a locked, special association only type thread/section for censored materials. It works, and usually quite well. Simply use the board abilities, and in most instances it is an option that locks a section by password, or invitation only. Simply do that and allow those who want in to prove they can handle such endeavors.

Next. For those leaving, why? I know I said earlier people come and go, but that coin has another side, and if, like most of you mentioned, are hear for reviews, and the display of your materials, then there should be no need for you to leave. If you are getting rude reviews, put the person on ignore, and pay no mind to them. Flag the post that is mean, but make sure it is warranted, and not simply your hurt feelings driving the decision. Remember you came to the internet for help, and to show your work, so obviously people won't see it your way, or even like it possibly, and for that you can't fault them. Fact is some people have no tact.

Aside from that, just try and enjoy the forum, we are all here for one reason, furthering our own writing, and displaying our work for critique.

[IndianaJoan]

Im sorry Jack? Did you report any pedophilia to me on her part? Funny, I dont remember anyone telling me she was messaging them with pedophilic stuff.

I remember people being offended at her posts, but such is the life of someone who chooses to write dark stuff.

Her stuff was not my cup of tea and I personally found it distasteful. I read it all because of the hubbub it generated here. Dark, suicidal, violent, yes. But I did not particularly see one post that indicated pedophilia to me and no one bothered to tell me that this stuff was going on in the background.

Ariella thanks for helping me out privately to understand what was going on.

I unlocked the thread at the request of another user who felt that just because a thread could be considered offensive by another user, did not give any of us the right to censor it. I read that thread, I agreed, deleted Jacks useless comment about it being "sick". I personally had a hard time understanding her abstractness but I certainly did not see pedophilia.

I would be careful about accusing anyone of being a pedophile openly in a forum. It is libelous and could get the site shut down. If you have proof of this kind of activity, call the police or contact a mod but DO NOT start throwing around such heavy handed accusations in an open forum.

A few of you in here are starting to sound like a freaking lynch mob. I am going to take a break for a few days, Im sure Nexus will be able to handle moderating the forums since he has been so actively doing so in the last few months.

I need a rest from the drama.

Hulls Raven, Ariella, and the rest of you who have been supportive, I just want you to know that I deeply appreciate you and your gentle, peaceful manners. Im sorry you have to tolerate this junk.

See you all in a few days.

[IndianaJoan]

I have contacts who can trace IP's and work for net safety organization. One that I used to volunteer for. If you have PROOF of her activity, contact me and I can help you with what to do with it.

Unfortunately, chats cannot be considered proof because they are too easily altered. But she can be checked out if you suspect that type of behaviour.

For future reference, if you think someone is a pedophile, you should report it right away. It saddens me that the way I find out about this is reading your accusations here instead of you letting me know about it before it got out of hand. So please, if u suspect such things, bring it to us right away.

If any of you feel you have enough evidence, PM me and I will tell you who to contact.

[Daniel]

Wow. Big thread.

Okay guys, here's the deal:

I was unaware of any offensive PMs whatsoever. If you receive a PM attacking you personally or pediophile crap or porn or anything such as that, IGNORE it and FORWARD it directly to me. I will ban the member and there IP.

For those of you who said you're leaving because the site supports porn or pediophiles, this IS NOT THE CASE. Any such thing is not allowed. Members posting such content will be permanently banned.

Personal attacks will not be tolerated. If it happens, simply PM me. I'll handle it.

Reviews should contain constructive crits only. You can't post degrading reviews without it being constructive. Likewise, I don't want this site to be full of works with nothing but praise. Most of us are here to improve.

If you have any problems, please, simply send me a PM and I'll do my best to handle it.

Thank you.

[Crazy Ivan]

I deem this topic finished in it's entirety and the debates settled.

Yay.

[Raven]

I agree.

I'm now locking this thread.
Theres nothing more to discuss on this subject.


Thanks

~Raven.

[WhispWillow]

Hi, Just want to say one thing

I for one, like Lp, who is admin, wasn't informed about katherine either

It is vital you tell us these things. We can't moniotr pms, so please show us an screenshot of some sort, pming it to one of the mods or Lp.
As Lp said, ignore them, there is an ignore feature right?

On the issue of explicit stuff, such as porn and hardcore dealings, sex and explicit scenes, I am against this. There is freedom of speech yes, but, tbh I really don't want to see this forum turn into a wild, erotic fiction site, with all sorts of inappriorate stuff for younger people. True, you check an I agree box, if you want to register succesfully and there can be warnings in the topic title, but I still really amn't up for this whole erotic writing stuff. It's simple, if you want to write about this stuff and I'm not condemning you if you do, but there are other forums who specialise in this I am sure

On the topic of such things as incest and paedophile and messed up stuff such as that, I don't want that to be posted on the forum.
Hopefully, the mods will discuss these matters over the coming week

And remember, don't be afraid to speak up.

Thanks