Do/dont like to review

[w176]

What do you and what don't you like to review?

I love to review good material. First I enjoy reading it, then I like analysing it and then I need to be really smart and creative to give any good pointers.

And I'm ashamed to say this. I got really big problem reviewing something that needs a lot of work, is written in an yet immature way or is just plain bad. If i wince all the way though reading it, and wince having all the faults stab me repetitively in the eyes and then wince trying to find supporting and diplomatic things to say feeling like a liar,,,, I just rather not review those pieces. There are fantastic people out there that can review those kinds of work in a fantastic way. I'm not one of them.

[rainy]

Probably the most obvious answer, but the truth: I don't like reviewing anything that I'm not interested in. Usually that's along the lines of biography, romance, or simply scenes that have been done to death.

If it's a good piece then, like you said, it's fun to have to mull it over and really dig into more complex aspects. I don't mind critiquing bad pieces, as long as the heart of the story seems intriguing in some way. But I usually have to sit on it a day or two before I take a deep breath and plunge in.

However, if the piece just doesn't catch my interest--I don't like the character type, I don't like the time period, or not particularly interested in the genre--I probably won't crit it, no matter how good or bad it is.

[Fantasy of You]

You're doing yourself, & future writers whom you'll be reluctant to critique, a disservice by forcing yourself to read tripe that repelled you so strongly in the opening. If a rabble of typos and horrible proses sends your head spinning, don't continue to read. Reply to the thread and say so! It's perfectly acceptable to say, 'Hi, there. I intended to buckle down & read your story until the end, unfortunately there were too many errors with which I was distracted.' Go on to explain how it is important to proofread work, as people put in a lot of effort to help you & reading half-assed attempts is off putting. End with perhaps a comment on how else he could have improved to hook you in the intro, and say how you are looking forward to reading some improved work.

- Andy

[Shinn]

I love reviewing material that catches my eye (i.e. war, action, adventure, drama, etc, etc) and I won't review any piece that doesn't seem to spark off interest or have a gripping plot. My main bug is that if I see loads of spelling errors or typos, I'll read it, the author might go overboard if they see that I've made their work look like a piece of poop.

[Speedy]

I will not review peoples work if it looks like its a first draft and looks like they never looked over it a second time. People who type, finish, cut and paste, than ask for a review/critique. No thanks.

I do like going over material that is flawed though. (through my eyes). The more i see that has a few issues(thats not REALLY bad), I'll try and go over it, makes me better at dealing with those issues when i try and write.

Also, if i see a thread that has been gone over a few times, and seen replies back from the OP, I'll take my stab. I don't like the idea of spending an hour or in some cases longer to have it not read by the OP, or thanked or replied back to (not the ego thanking stuff, just the thanks for your time stuff).

[Cogito]

Sometimes I seek out the stories that look like they have been carefully written and proofread, but still fail to grab me on some level. If I can put a name to what isn't working for me, it helps me look for it in my own writing.

I rarely assume the writer will return to read the critique, or will benefit from my dissection of the writing. If he or she does, even better. But I know it will help me learn by making the effort, and I can also hope other critiquers will see another way to look at people's writing. I know that reading other people's critiques shows me new approaches.

[Aconite]

Like Shinn said above: I review prose pieces that look like they have a plot. After the third paragraph, if I'm still reading a description of the main character's flashing green eyes and fiery red hair, 'click' goes the back button.

With regards to poetry, if all it is is Love Poem #498427, I won't bother, either. Lots of other writers have written love poems, and while that maudlin stuff is an important step for a beginning writer to work out, I'm just not interested in slogging through that stage of development.

If it's so badly written that it's The Eye of Argon (Google it; I dare you! You'll thank me later), I won't read it, but that seems to be par for the course around here.

If the writer has gotten nasty with other reviewers, I also won't read it: I don't like wasting my time on a lengthy, if blunt, critique, only to get the brush-off in response.

[Northern Phil]

I enjoy reviewing, but there are a couple of things that bother me when I'm trying to find a piece to read.

My main gripe has to do with the author not mentioning the word count. There are some fairly long pieces here and I will read and review them if I have the time, but if the author does not post the word count then I'll look at something and get the feeling that it goes on and on forever. Especially reading on a pc you don't have a sense of how long it will take you to read. If I know the word count then I can estimate how long it will take to read, this will give me the opportunity to allocate sufficent time to read it, analyse it and post an honest review.

[Thanshin]

I can't relate to what some of you describe. When I start a review and I discover I really don't like the text, I don't mind briefly describing why I didn't like it and didn't keep reading.

The only reviews I'd rather not do are on poetry. For me a poem can only be bad if it doesn't make me feel anything, and I have no idea about what to say to the author that would help with that.

[Wreybies]

I've no trouble reviewing an item that requires some serious "remodeling."

I do have great trouble reviewing items outside of my preferred genres. If I had to review a romance piece, I might actually trade the task for a session of bamboo slivers stuck under the nail beds.

Yeah. I might.

[Cogito]

Sometimes I DO choose to critique outside my preferred genre. When I first started here, I was solely focused on short stories. I had no interest in poetry at all, so I didn't even read from the Poetry section.

I didn't understand poetry. There was too much stuff out there labelled as poetry that to me was just defecating emotions onto paper. So I started asking what is and is not poetry. I went back to my college Literature texts and read what they had to say. And I began critiquing.

I'm still not primarily a poet, but I'm no longer intimidated by it. I've even written a few I'm happy with.

I still stay away from scripts and screenplays. For now. But I'll critique in pretty much any genre, and I have learned a lot by doing so.

[Aeschylus]

I like reviewing (though I generally try to stick in my own genres too). Having to evaluate another person's work helps me become more aware of what needs work in my own writing. It's so much easier to see flaws in other people's writing than in my own, so reviewing helps me as much as it helps the person whose work I'm critiquing.

[Nalix]

I have done reviews before, though not yet on this site (still trying to figure out the details of the process, see some other reviews, and get a feel for what is expected).

I've found that there is no story so bad or so good that I cannot find something to say about it. Even truly horrible writing has the seed of an idea in it, and that is something I can work with. Even exceptionally good writing could always have been done differently.

The author always must make choice on how to portray the story, and every choice has its pros and cons. I try to build on the pros and consider what they bring to the story that otherwise would not be there.

What I like most about writing any review is trying to get into the head of the writer and imagine what choices are driving the story. To me, that's the heart of a review: giving the author (and yourself) a mirror of the story, to see what would otherwise not be seen.

[orange]

I might catch some flack for this, but I hate fan-fic. Every now and then I'll poke through it just to see if I'm missing something, but it irks me. First of all, if I've read the book the story is based on and am cringing at the departure in writing style, tone, etc. And then even more-so because there's something offensive to me about taking someone else's characters and original project, and twisting it to your own devices. I'm sure, though, that it might be an interesting way to learn how to write in the style of someone you particularly admire. Maybe?

I like to review short stories and poetry. But I agree with OP that sometimes something just needs too much work, and I wimp out on reviewing it. Mainly because I'm not sure there's anything nice I could say. I'm not saying I could write it any better, we all write total crap sometimes, but I hate writing a review when I can't find anything good to focus on.

[Aeschylus]

I agree with you about fanfic, Orange. I can't stand it either. The thing is that someone who constantly writes someone else's story is disrespecting himself far more than the original author. It's a writer submitting to the superiority of other writers.

[Imo]

I am new here and aside from the introduction, this is my first post so I cannot yet say what I like or don't like to critique here. From my experiences on other forums however, I discovered that I simply hate commenting on romance. All too often I found the characters too sweet, too feminine, too masculine, too perfect for my tastes and it blinds me to any merit the piece might have.

On the upside, I love writing critiques for action scenes, or stories with bold characters whose actions surprise me but don't make me question. Throw me a well written protagonist and I can spend many happy hours picking at your writing.

[Jane Beryl]

You're doing yourself, & future writers whom you'll be reluctant to critique, a disservice by forcing yourself to read tripe that repelled you so strongly in the opening...

A point needed and said from Andy, it's better just to say up front that you can't read it. I personally will read anything, but I know what it's like to be a bad writer. I am, however, good at critquing. We can all give claps to my very different animation teacher for teaching me the ways of the master. If you don't tell other's they need to revise they will end up thinking nothing is wrong with it and continue posting without ever learning from there mistakes.



I might catch some flack for this, but I hate fan-fic. Every now and then I'll poke through it just to see if I'm missing something, but it irks me. First of all, if I've read the book the story is based on and am cringing at the departure in writing style, tone, etc. ...

Well, most fan fictions don't get published, if you consider this publishing we're in trouble on this planet. I know very few fan fictions that make it out into the wild. There is a reason for this, it's just too difficult for anyone to be the master of someone else's creation. When I see a true master I'll drop on by and say something but otherwise there is no point in critquing since their audience is limited to the walls of someone else's design.

[orange]

Jane Beryl, I agree, but was referencing the Fan Fiction section in The Review Room, in which people do critique fan-fic.

[Islander]

I think it's more satisfying to review bad material, because it makes it easy to find constructive criticisms.

[MissBelle]

I am a college student, studying to be a Teacher (Art/ Art History) and plan on making my students write a lot of Essays on Art History. I like to crit works that will be good practice for reveiwing papers.

I sort of just like doing crits for works where I feel like I have a strong opinion. Where My opinion might help.

[JessaNova]

My biggest problem with a lot of writing is seeing people use 'thug talk', which usually ends up using improper terms and ways of saying things. I think it's just stupid... so I just move on.

I don't know if it's okay for me to say, "You know what, I understand you grew up in the ghetto and feel like everything you write should be about that. But do you really need to express that you missed out on education?"

[Zane]

I think the constructive reviews needed before posting is an excellent idea!
I think the two needed should be changed though. Two reviews to post novels it´s okay, but two reviews to post a poem or a songlyric, I think it´s a bit too much!

I´d also like to know, if when reviewing a story, poem... If you can´t see any mistakes, you could make a compliment considered "constructive"... For example by showing what the story/poem made you feel, why it did that...... Does that count as constructive?

I´m a little confused because sometimes I can´t really suggest anything to improve, or what i´d like to suggest was already proposed...

A little help?

[Manav]

I do have great trouble reviewing items outside of my preferred genres. If I had to review a romance piece, I might actually trade the task for a session of bamboo slivers stuck under the nail beds.

Yeah. I might.

Yes, I do have my preferred genre which I enjoy reviewing (which are general fiction and romance btw :)), but reviewing pieces in genres outside of my taste has helped me in my writing. For example, I am awestruck by the world and creatures and demons the writers create in fantasy writings. The effort they give to provide the readers the details of their world is just fantastic. They have provided lots of insight on how I can approach descriptions of my settings and chars. Needless to say I have new found respect for such writers.

Similarly, I think fantasy writers can learn a thing or two from say, romance writers. Fantasy writers can sometimes get carried away in their ... umm.. grand fantasy world and neglect the finer details of the relationships between their chars. How to turn a seemingly unimportant event into something that says a lot about the char. Good romance writers do that very well.



I´m a little confused because sometimes I can´t really suggest anything to improve, or what i´d like to suggest was already proposed...

A little help?

It's alright to point out the mistakes others have already pointed out. The writer will only be more convinced.

[Lothgar]

I´d also like to know, if when reviewing a story, poem... If you can´t see any mistakes, you could make a compliment considered "constructive"... For example by showing what the story/poem made you feel, why it did that...... Does that count as constructive?

Saying that you enjoyed reading a piece and couldn't find anything to change in it should be valid, as long as it is the actual truth. If you really have combed the piece several times and can't find anything to quibble about, then I'd think it was constructive to state that in your opinion the author "got it right"

If you just say that you couldn't find anything to correct in a given piece as a cop out, just because you are lazy or simply worry about hurting someone's feelings if you point out a mistake, then such a statement is not valid.

The important thing to remember is that part of a critique is technical, checking spelling, punctuation and grammar.

Another part is subject matter accuracy. Few things kill a story's interest faster than a writer detailing a subject he/she knows nothing about, such as someone who knows nothing about race cars trying to describe the high tech engineering of formula one racers. If your readers are reading your piece because they have an interest in the subject, and KNOW the real details, a piece full of inaccuracies will be a big turn off. Research can remedy this problem.

Another part is presentation and perception. When you critique a piece of writing consider your own perception of the piece. Did you find it entertaining and enjoyable to read? Why or why not? Did it hold your attention or bore you? Why or why not? What could make it more interesting to you personally? It is important for the critic to spell out the Why or Why Not of his comments. Just saying something "Sucks" doesn't qualify as a valid critique.

Another part is detachment from "hot button" subjects. If a piece is about controversial politics, social problems, peace in the middle east, etc. it is often sometimes hard to stay on track (especially if you have a strong opinion about the subject). The job of a critic is to evaluate the writing, not debate the issues presented.


I´m a little confused because sometimes I can´t really suggest anything to improve, or what i´d like to suggest was already proposed...

A little help?

Post your critique BEFORE you read what others have said. That way, even if you do mention a topic that someone else has already brought up, at least your criticism will be your own opinion in your own words.

[Elgaisma]

I don't like reviewing things that are trying to be an artistic intelligent piece of writing instead of just a good story. Unless it is a piece of poetry that is different.

It is so hard when you get something that has clearly taken that much effort to tell someone actually I don't like it.

[Lothgar]

It is so hard when you get something that has clearly taken that much effort to tell someone actually I don't like it.

Unless it was written by someone you despise. :)

I imagine it might be entertaining to take a piece, written by some obnoxious jerk that has insulted you, your writing, your family, your fashion sense and openly questioned whether or not your parents were ever married...and tell them that their work stinks...

...and then explain why it stinks...in a long, drawn out, highly detailed critique that highlights their faults and underscores their ineptitude. :)

...But then again, I tend to be a rotten bastard when provoked, so maybe this doesn't apply to everybody :)

[Zane]

I agree with you Lothgar.

It happens that sometimes I read stories and I think everything is pretty well written.

Of course if I just say "Good job buddy" that´s worthless for the writer to improve and it doesn´t even prove that I actually read the story.

When I can´t give suggestions, I try to say what the story means to me, that I can´t give any suggestions, and I say what were the parts of the story, that had more impact with me, and why.

I´m not quite sure if that actually counts as a constructive critique though.

[Lothgar]

I´m not quite sure if that actually counts as a constructive critique though.

Well, if that is the honest truth then I see no reason why that shouldn't be valid.

The art of constructive criticism is just that, an art. The more you try your hand at it, the better you will get over time.

You can learn more about how to critique properly by reading the reviews that others have posted. You can learn how to look for and spot such things as misspelled words, punctuation errors and sentence fragments. By reading how others express their opinions about a given piece, you can learn how to properly express such factors as why a story didn't hold your interest or why you couldn't connect with the characters.

Once you learn to express these things, your criticisms will help the writer create better stories that hold their reader's attention and make them more invested in the characters presented.

[Elgaisma]

Plus it is helpful as a writer if people like the basic story and idea. I have just reviewed a piece of work for someone and quite frankly yes there were some small errors but it was such a blinder I read through it without noticing them they had no impact on my enjoyment of the piece.

It was a wonderful horror told in a rambling James Herriot, Dr Cameron type way. Personally I like to know when my story has gripped someone or has blown them away after all I write it for people to read and be entertained. Nothing gives me more confidence to plug on and improve a story.

The greatest compliment I have is when people talk about my characters like friends using their nicknames etc.


Unless it was written by someone you despise.

I imagine it might be entertaining to take a piece, written by some obnoxious jerk that has insulted you, your writing, your family, your fashion sense and openly questioned whether or not your parents were ever married...and tell them that their work stinks...

I was even constructive and nice to the guy that accused me of not being a native English speaker and didn't know what a thigh-length sleeveless tunic looked like. Not in my nature to hold grudges haven't got the energy lol

[Lothgar]

I was even constructive and nice to the guy that accused me of not being a native English speaker and didn't know what a thigh-length sleeveless tunic looked like. Not in my nature to hold grudges haven't got the energy lol

You should consider learning to properly hate.

Seriously, not only will it keep you warm in the winter, but it could give you valuable insight into developing evil villains.

*Strikes a Shakespearean pose and drops his voice two octaves, speaking with a deliberate melodramatic meter*

"Mine heart FILLS with the BLACKEST of HATE, turning COLD, HARD and BITTER."

*Shifts to different, yet still overly dramatic pose*

"Mine very soul is consumed by it, as I totally DESPISE and LOATH him with a BURNING PASSION that shall NEVER DIE!"

The trick is to keep your face all serious and intense looking while you say the words. Giggling half way through the lines just ruins the mood... You should try it...its fun :)

[Elgaisma]

You should consider learning to properly hate.

Seriously, not only will it keep you warm in the winter, but it could give you valuable insight into developing evil villains.

*Strikes a Shakespearean pose and drops his voice two octaves, speaking with a deliberate melodramatic meter*



lol that is funny just finished writing a scene when we discover the Lord of Evil from my first book was a case of mistaken identity.

My one evil character I just pinched from Shakespeare and Arthurian legends she is real evil she poisoned her mother, and shot her father.

[bahloo]

I have a really tough time reviewing something that doesn't catch my attention right away. If I'm having a hard time reading it, there's no damn way I'll review it. I need to be excited enough to invest myself into the piece to make it better.

[Zombie_Chinchilla]

Though it's odd, I love to review works that could use a lot of work. Not AWFUL, but could use some pointers. With ones that are really good, I find myself trying hard to find something to point out, which I don't like.

[xocia]

I've always despised reviewing. Few things make me cringe more than a friend asking, "So, what did you think about this story I poured my heart and sweat into?"

I think it's because of my one fiction writing class I took in college. I was going for a degree in English with emphasis in Creative Writing because everything always came back to my writing. It was a nightmare. We were not allowed to write thriller, horror, mystery, fantasy or sci-fi. The instructor wanted 'slice of life'. It was a soap-opera nightmare. I don't care who slept with who's wife and which man is the father of which baby even when it's on TV. Reading it was like nails on a chalkboard and reviewing was 80% of the class. When I started facing just the walk across the campus to the class with tears, I couldn't bear more of it.

When I'm asked to review something, that whole nightmare of a class comes pouring back. It brings friends even.

I always found it rather ironic that I learned more about improving my writing from the grad-student who taught my English 101 and 102 than from any other class in my writing life. We both had Creative Writing emphasis, so he put in the extra effort to offer constructive criticism and recommendations on everything I wrote. It's time to pay that kindness back and face my reviewing demons. ;)

[Xylie]

I feel like I'm in the minority on this one... but I really, really like reviewing really, really bad writing. Maybe I just like being rude when it comes to people's writing skills or perhaps I find it enjoyable to find all the flaws and address them. I know it makes me seem look like a snob but I can't refrain from honesty.

With good writing, I just feel like I didn't read the piece. When I tell someone their excerpt is wonderful and that there's hardly anything that needs improvement, I think that I'm not being very helpful towards the author for whatever reason.

I tend to steer clear from reviewing things in general, but when I come across a bad Twilight fanfic, I just can't seem to contain myself...

[Thanshin]

The instructor wanted 'slice of life'. It was a soap-opera nightmare. I don't care who slept with who's wife and which man is the father of which baby even when it's on TV. Reading it was like nails on a chalkboard and reviewing was 80% of the class.

My rebellion to such an idiocy would've been to do strict reviews:

"Ok, here's my review to Bob's work. After a brief four page analysis of the murder he's trying to perform on the English language with his first paragraph, I continue with the discussion of 'style and Bob's aberrant deviation from any trace of it'. It's thirteen pages long, so it barely scratches the surface, however I hope to be able, during the analysis of further paragraphs, to discuss deeper topics, like Bob's obvious retardation and his deeply encysted homosexuality.

Shall we continue with these 'slice-o-life reviews' Or we're open to alternative options."

[xocia]

My rebellion to such an idiocy would've been to do strict reviews:

"Ok, here's my review to Bob's work. After a brief four page analysis of the murder he's trying to perform on the English language with his first paragraph, I continue with the discussion of 'style and Bob's aberrant deviation from any trace of it'. It's thirteen pages long, so it barely scratches the surface, however I hope to be able, during the analysis of further paragraphs, to discuss deeper topics, like Bob's obvious retardation and his deeply encysted homosexuality.

Shall we continue with these 'slice-o-life reviews' Or we're open to alternative options."

Sounds so much like what the men in my family would do, though perhaps not quite so eloquently. :p

[JaShinYa]

I have no problem reviewing good or bad pieces. The problem I have is when it's obvious the person was lazy and sloppy. But if there is an effort, why not reward that writer with advice? They won't get better otherwise. I especially enjoy helping those kinds of people because I know I've been there, as have all of us.

One other reason I will not critique is if I feel I have no right to critique it. I don't claim to be the master of everything writing, but I do believe my opinions are valuable in certain areas. However, in poetry, for instance... I will not ever ever critique it. I am no good at it. I can dissect the meaning, possibly, but I cannot make any sort of corrections.

[Cogito]

Critiquing is a learning process, not a judgment. Take on critiques where you don't feel certain. Step outside your comfort zone.

That is how you learn.

[Agent Vatani]

I enjoy reading, so I like to leave a review when I am done reading it. I'm very honest when I review, I don't like being mean in a review cause I'm honest. I like to give a good detail review to the person, because I love getting reviews from people. I like deep detailed one but if it's just, "I like it." It's better then getting nothing?
If it's a piece of work, I don't like, cause I don't get passed a few paragarphs then I probably won't review it.
Back I like reviewing and getting them, lol. :)

[Naiyn]

coming to this site, I thought I would hate to do reviews, so I went in thinking I'd do it just to get it out of the way so I could put my own writing up. Then something strange happened...

I found that I really enjoy going through a piece and looking for ways to improve it. Now I look through my weekly obligations with work and all that, and look for spare time where I can do at least a review a week. (That's my goal anyway.)

I suppose one explenation for this, is that my eye for weakness and error is improving in my own writing with every review I do. Definitely a "win-win" situation. :)

[afrodite7]

-actually,when i found this site,thats when i got into reviewing.there's so much good material around and potential lurking everywhere,i feel it my duty as writer to help others.

[cressida_tt]

I like reviewing but I don't do it that often. I know that sounds odd but the conditions have to be right. If I actually read something then I will always leave a constructive review even if it quite short. The problem I find is that my attention has to be tweaked first. I don't enjoy fantasy - which seems to rule out about ninety five percent of online work at the moment - and I won't read anything that is over romantic or 'teen'. Also I find I am put off by too much 'Americanism'. To be honest reading on line that limits me quite a lot. However, if someone reviews me then I will always review something of theirs in return as I think that is only fair.

I have a novel posted at another site and find it amazing that lots of people seem to have read to the end but never reviewed. I would never do that! If I enjoyed it that much then I would feel that I owed the writer at lest an encouraging 'Thanks'.

[art]

Will only ever review things I like.
Much as critiquing can be helpful etc etc and folk shouldn't take things personally etc etc I don't think unrelenting criticism does anybody much good. It is nice to be nice.

[Gypsy88]

If I read something to the end but don't really have anything constructive to say I don't "critique" it. Just posting an I don't like or That was great doesn't really strike me as helpful. Or if I agree completely with someone else I just let their review stand.

When doing critiques I tend to ask more questions. Sometimes its to clear up a question I have or an issue I'm noticing but can't tell if its due to the fact that only a partial of the tale is there or because I"m missing something.

I also love to point out things that I really liked.

My goal is to do at least 4 critiques a week. So much work is posted daily that there is plenty on offer and I like to do it while drinking my morning coffee.