I just want to say I've visited your homepage, and I think you're one of the few real genious people I've seen on the face of earth.

I respect you with all heart. You're great, you're really worthy of greatest respects!

Why you're not famous? Why every body is not talking about your legacy? (Or you are?)

Here, here! *raises a glass to Maia*

*raises glass*

~Torana

Now I'm going to have to visit the homepage!

Dedication? Did she die!? o.o

In you countries you only dedicate to dead people?

I don't see what the big deal is. She's alright but a dedication post, c'mon.

No, we don't only do dedication's to dead people. In fact, I think it's much better if they're alive, because you can't make a corpse do a speech very easily.

Speaking of:

Speeeeeech!

I only dedicate things to dead people... park benches, fountains, memorials. You name it!

Living people don't give enough appriciation.

I find mamamaia to be quite harsh and frankly a little rude. I'm sure if I had a conversation with her I'd think differently. I guess she is in teacher mode a lot...

No offence to you mamamaia. I really would like to have a general chat with you! =)

Dedication? Did she die!? o.o

not that i'd noticed! ;-)

stinger...
i'm honored and flattered that you'd single me out like this [also, more than a bit embarrassed]... but i'm happy to know that you found my site and work of interest... thank you for those so very kind words... namaste!

and thanks to you, banzai and torana, for the toasts...

bicker... have to say i kinda/sorta agree with you... ;-)

alice...
i guess i'm in 'teacher' mode most of the time, 'cause that's what i do, pretty much 24/7... and it's the only reason i'm here... though i'd call it 'helper' mode, rather than 'teacher'...

as for what you call 'harsh' and 'rude' i'm afraid some do see blunt honesty that way, when they'd rather see sugar-coated white lies and evasion, to make those seeking feedback feel better, if 'the awful truth' is too evident to honestly ignore... but i don't see that it's being at all helpful to not be totally honest, even if it hurts... and the vast majority of folks i'm that way with thank me for it, so it can't be all bad...

i'd be glad to have a 'general chat' with you, at your convenience... just drop me an email any old time...

love and hugs to all, maia
maia3maia@hotmail.com

I don't know why I have a problem with it because my partner is the most blunt guy in the world. xD Woo email! ^^

well, there's blunt and then there's just plain mean and thoughtless... like so many guys, he may be the latter, but i'm never the former... not on purpose, anyway...

A lot of guys take teasing too far. Then it turns into mean and thoughtless. >.< I've grown up around it though so I tend to be like that too sometimes... D=

Why you're not famous? Why every body is not talking about your legacy? (Or you are?)

no, i'm not, stinger... not that i know of, anyway... but i guess i am 'known' in many parts of the world, due to years of global house/pet-sitting and helping writers who come to me from all over the planet...

as for my legacy, i'm 68 and more than ready to leave this life the moment i'm 'let go' but don't have anyone to leave all the writings to, so i guess they'll just 'go' with me...

namaste!

Why did you thank an Iranian with Namaste? Exactly what island are you from? I know the origins of the words and its usage in Hindu culture, which makes me question your employment of it in discussing anything with an Iranian. I should think a reference to a hafiz to show your erudition would be more apt. Of course had he/she been Pakistani or Indian then it would be even more incongruous - the Muslims and Hindus there being locked in horrid cycles of violence.

I visited your site, but feel your philosphical and sociological observations were shallow and paled utterly compared to people who have studied with rigor and commitment like infinite thought on Cinetastic and Kpunk.
Still, I'll toast you if only to get a drink.

And another thing, how can Stinger possibly be a fan of Kafka and Beckett and still like your arguments on "wombankind" or accept the notion of "sin" you employ, directing it selectively to men? We did selective perception on the 911 evil 11 post. Do you want me to draw you up a list of vile, violent women who did nothing but ruin this planet?
The Medusa image is overdone - everyone from the ancients to Nietzsche and Lacan...
Honestly, you come across on your site as a real misanthrope
there's just plain mean and thoughtless... like so many guys,

- and I'm not sure about your bandwagoning on Katrina either.
The only explanation seems to be that Stinger hasn't really taken the time to really study Kafka and Beckett to any depth. Name me five other writers of the Prague circle?
I'm a massive fan, but not an expert on Beckett. That notwithstanding, I do make an effort to learn about his work and its implications. As an aside, I should add that infinite thought translated some of Badiou's works on Beckett into English.
As for Lawrence...Does the author of "The Rainbow" really rank in the same league as Kafka? Whatever the ontological and metaphysical dimensions his works may possess when you peel away the hard-core porn veneer, Lawrence never really tackles the fragmentary nature of modern experience or the wider political nature of being. Even his sex lacks a political dimension - a gaping flaw that even a child could see. Ah, but the big money of the English "culture" business drowns out any reasonable assessment of cultural significance...Monet must be good because he's in the Tate gallery. Tate as in Tate and Lyle, built on bloody slavery in sugar plantations. The taste of a few super-rich oxford-bred lunatics defining the publishing industry and dictating what your schools tell you is important...

gee, did writing all that psuedo-philosophical gluck and dissing me for this and that make you feel superior, onoria?... i can only pity you, if it did... btw, no one has to like what i write, but if someone does, and mentions it here, they don't deserve to be made fun of, because of it...

and, fyi, the hindi greeting/leavetaking word, 'namaste' is a universally-used 'nice' and polite way to say hi or goodbye... as are 'salaam' and 'aloha' and 'shalom'... much more gracious, imo, than 'so long' or 'ta ta' or 'cheers'!... so, why blast my use of it and assume i'm clueless, if not only to make yourself feel smarter or more worldly, or whatever?... sadly, i'd say you proved the opposite...

fyi, i've traveled the world over--gone entirely around the planet--and i use words/phrases from many languages, with people of all cultures... not only the ones that they speak, though i will often do that, too...

as for where i live now, it's the island of tinian, which you may have never heard of, though it occupies a major place in human history... the darkest part!

i will not go tit for tat and look at your work [if you have any publicly available], to give you 'payback'...
1. i don't do that...
2. i doubt you have anything to say that would interest me and...
3. i'd rather pretend you don't exist, if you don't mind...

love and hugs [anyway], m

gee, did writing all that psuedo-philosophical gluck

Justify this comment, please. It's a sweeping comment and I don't see anything in my post that can be called gluck. I throw down the gauntlet for you to point out a single point I raised that was invalid.

and dissing me for this and that make you feel superior, onoria?... i can only pity you, if it did...
You see, I wasn't "dissing" you; I was saying that I thought what you had to say on your site was ill thought-out rhetoric that only persuades the uncritical reader. I am genuinely worried about the rise of this kind of self-righteous man-hating half-baked mysticism in Western culture.
And your resort to very crude psychology is lamentable. Does pointing out that there are better and more rigorous thinkers out there than you make me superior? I never reserved that title for myself - I said that compared to Infintie Thought, of Kpunk, your work was shallow. To be honest, I don't even think you can be ranked alongside someone like Mark Kpunk or IT.
no one has to like what i write, but if someone does, and mentions it here, they don't deserve to be made fun of,
Where did I "make fun of" anyone? Quote the line in which I mock someone?

and, fyi, the hindi greeting/leavetaking word, 'namaste' is a universally-used 'nice' and polite way to say hi or goodbye...

This is just plain wrong. Namaste is a Hindu word. Okay, Stinger is an Atheist and probably doesn't care, but to claim the word is "universally-used" is daft. That you put "shalom" alongside it just adds to point. Do you honestly think that a Jewish and Hindu greeting are the best words to use when speaking to someone from a predominantly Muslim nation? What about the west bank or the Kashmir? Have you ever watched a rally by the Hindu far right in India? Would you really say Shalom to a Muslim cleric?
sadly, i'd say you proved the opposite...
You claim to be plain and honest, but when it comes down to it, you are quite happy to insult me as an individual rather reply on an intellectual level to the points I've raised. This is classic politics - Let's not talk about the issues, let's just make personal attacks!

fyi, i've traveled the world over--gone entirely around the planet--and i use words/phrases from many languages, with people of all cultures... not only the ones that they speak, though i will often do that, too...
Read my sig file.


as for where i live now, it's the island of tinian, which you may have never heard of, though it occupies a major place in human history... the darkest part!
I do know a little about Tinian. I would love for you to justify the comment that the island occupies the darkest part in human history. I suppose this is a reference to certain American bombers that passed through the island? So the holocaust, or Boer genocide or the battle of Stalingrad were nothing then?

Re: Your final points -
1. i don't do that...go tit for tat
You just did! What was that post if not an attempt to flame me?
Well, me neither then!
2. i doubt you have anything to say that would interest me and...
You mean, you have no interest in what anyone else says unless they agree with you.
3. i'd rather pretend you don't exist, if you don't mind...
Stick your head in the sand if you want.

ooohhhhh..... maybe we should all calm down here. Don't like what the other says. just say, hey, great point of view but I believe differently??? I don't know. Maybe a proper debate is in order instead of going backwards and forwards like this.. turning a nice thread into a flame-o-thon.

Personally, I havn't really chatted with Mia but I don't frequeant the threads that she mainly goes to so I can't say much other than she seems like a nice person. I have seen one or two of her comments but they are her point of view!

On the otherside, I like Onaria and have chatted with her once or twice and found her rather helpful,

But other than that... I had no idea what you guys were talking about because I'm not that smart! You are both obviously smart women with a great wide perception on humanity and the world and all it's workings. I wish I was able to be like that and be able to voice my thoughts and ideas. So come on guys.... stop the flaming. This started off nice, lets end it nice. :)

I honestly don't have a personal problem with her, I just find her work really offensive and prejudicial. I'm far more concerned with what she says. This is the kind of stuff we are being asked to politely applaud:

Are human/sentient males necessary?

1. what do they do that is particular or exclusive to sentient males?
fertilize females・eggs; fight with one another; kill one another; make war; rape
their females & offspring; beat their females & offspring; devise/invent ways to harm their
own kind & other species; harm/kill their own species/other species for fun/sport;
dominate/subjugate their own other gender & other species

2. what do they do that is necessary and females can not do themselves?
nothing??? [see below]

3. what do they do that would be better NOT done?
[see all of #1!]

(Mammamaia - from her site.)
Okay, point by point.
First the title - What would the opposite of this be? Are males contingent? Well, are human beings necessary or the result of chance? Why should an entire gender be forced to justify its existence?

1. All but the first of the list is by no means exclusive or particular to males. Flat biology makes it harder for women to rape than men - but there are cases. And let's not forget that Dolphins also gang rape. As for murder, subjugation and beating being exclusively or particularly male activities, this is sexism - prejudice pure and simple. I find it as offensive as her claiming that all of these activities are done mainly by jews, or blacks.
2. In another essay you say that 'men cannot meddle with mother nature' and then you say you don't need men because you can fertilize your own eggs. Contradiction?
Also, isn't it the very best of human activity precisely those things that are not necessary. Are you really going to quote Ghandi on a sig. file and then claim that men have nothing to offer? Was Leonardo Da Vinci just wasting paint?
A point that also answers No. 3. Mozart, Tolstoy, Kafka, Shakespeare, Spinoza, Plato...history is littered with the deeds of great men as well as women. And women are just as warlike - what of Bodicea or Margaret Thatcher or Lucreia Borges!

Whatever personal experience you have had had with men in your life, no matter how bitterly you feel, let me assure you that my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were all truly fantastic men who I loved to bits and who really contributed to the world in which they lived.
I would not infer just because I was caught up in an IRA bomb that all Irish men are villains. I would not, after being mugged by Chinese woman think that all Chinese women are violent criminals.

I'm not sorry for starting a flame if its against misanthropy and this kind of vincible ignorance. It might be more polite not to heckle the speaker at a Nazi rally, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Wow. As I had posted previously, Ihavn't actually been to her sight but I am mildly offended on behalf of my Bf/ father/ brother and other male relatives and friends. We are human. There is good and there is bad but lumping everyone into one catagory is kind of offensive.

Okay, granted that sometimes I'm like we don't need men at all! But i'm not that extremely serious.

From what has been stated, I agree with Onoria in the point that I disagree with Mia (if that makes sense). But I believe that Mia has a right to her point of view and until I read her site, which I have been turned off from really reading I can't really comment further until Mia has her say! arg! I don't particularly want to take sides though!

I think you should take sides on the issues - but avoid any personal comments.

....

This is just plain wrong. Namaste is a Hindu word.

fyi, the language that a hindu [what the person is called] speaks is 'hindi'...thus, 'namaste' is a 'hindi' word...

i am not going to rise to the bait and indulge your obvious need to bemean both myself and my work, onoria... that you would choose to do so in this thread in particular, amazes and saddens me...

please hold forth on your opinion of me elsewhere, instead of hijacking someone else's thread that was clearly not meant to be a vehicle for you to ramble on about your disagreement with me and my works...

dropbear...
before you make such assumptions about me or that one piece of work, please note that onoria took bits of it out of context, to make her point... there are hundreds more pieces of work on the site, only some of them having to do with that particular subject...

you say you're 'turned off' from even going to my site, although only one person here has made it sound like it's something to be avoided... even though the person who started this thread clearly thinks otherwise... i hope you don't always jump to negative conclusions about people that way...

please, will all of you respect stinger, at least , and let his thread not continue to be a battleground?... that's not at all what he meant it to be, i'm sure... in respect for him, if for no other reason, peace and friendship should reign here, not conflict...

and if [I]he is offended by my using a hindi word that means, in effect, 'we are one' then he is free to say so for himself... in fact, he is the only one who has a real right to comment on that, since it was meant for him alone...

'namaste' to all!... love and hugs, maia

Mammamia isn't all that great, but what do I know...
Also I'd like to say that I find your views on men disgusting. You shouldn't be writing, get back in the kitchen, that oven isn't gonna turn itself on.

Mammamia isn't all that great, but what do I know...
Also I'd like to say that I find your views on men disgusting and pretty naieve. You shouldn't be writing, get back in the kitchen, that oven isn't gonna turn itself on.

hmmm that site what well....I'll just say interesting and then look for the exit right about now.....

What is it with us latley???!!!!!!

And E-Bow... maybe you should of said something a little less offensive. I'm offended but then again, this thread shouldn't be continued like it has been in the past few hours. This is getting ridiculous!

amen!... and thank you, oz!

now, can we please get off my case and close this thread, if all it's going to be is a battlefield?

Bloody hell, how precisely did you lot turn an appreciation thread into a fight? Maia is right. Regardless of what you think of her views, stop posting intentionally offensive posts (which is flaming, and banned under the site rules, come to think of it) and will a mod please close this train wreck of a thread.

Yes, flaming is not allowed. But not all disagreement is intentionally offensive.
I haven't used profanity or abuse, nor have I made any comments about Maia as an individual. I'm not interested in abusing a 68 year old mother of 7.
It is Maia who has attempted, clumsily I feel, to reject all my comments by portraying me as someone driven by certain psychological problems.
indulge your obvious need to bemean both myself and my work
if not only to make yourself feel smarter or more worldly, or whatever?... sadly, i'd say you proved the opposite...
make you feel superior, onoria?... i can only pity you
These are flame comments. They don't respond to my comments about her work, they just attacked me as an individual.
Put that aside.
I'm sure that we agree on many things, and strongly disagree on others. We're both concerned with ecology, the evils imperialism and modern geopolitics/petropolitics.
But...
Maia has put these points of view into the public domain and invited site viewers to read them. She has also praised blunt, honest criticism. I've made specific comments about her work and I've been told I took them out of context. The readers of the thread can go to her site and judge for themselves. I would welcome a full and thorough defence of her position from her because I don't see how out of context you can take a line like "Are sentient males necessary?"

I think it would be tragic if this site were to shut down any attempt at debate. Why are you content to have profanity, graphic sexual imagery and hate anthems in the poetry threads, but when someone stands up and says "I disagree with you" the site resorts to the totalitarian approach of closing the thread.

I am very surprised that someone like Maia, who is clearly concerned with the fate of the planet and the evils man perpetrates against man, when the critical "gaze of Medusa" falls on her own writing, should turn around and promote the quashing of all debate.

I can understand why you might think this is a strange thread to post a response in - but the theme is your legacy Maia. This is part of the impact you have had on the world. The reaction I have had to your diatribe against half the human race:

1. what do they do that is particular or exclusive to sentient males?
fertilize females・eggs; fight with one another; kill one another; make war; rape
their females & offspring; beat their females & offspring; devise/invent ways to harm their
own kind & other species; harm/kill their own species/other species for fun/sport;
dominate/subjugate their own other gender & other species

I think If a man, a grown adult, devoted his spare time to writing a serious article about what a bunch of murderous, evil wh***s women are, and went onto a site full of children and invited them to read it, then you would be right alongside me in criticising him.

I do disagree with your anti-humanistic, anti-life moralism.

“kind” is kind (like “twinned”),
a word for little child...
too mild a word for man, who’s sinned
enough to make his stuff
inexcusable... his pleas refusable.

Men are too evil to exist? We deserve to be extinct? I, like you, watched my own father die - I just don't understand how you can turn around and say men/mankind deserves to become extinct. And I don't think I will ever agree with such priggish, self-righteousness.
You spread these words around the site and posted the link.
Here's a response!
Come on Maia, are you really going to stand in favor of silencing all those who disagree with your work?
Do you agree with Kim Jong Il's censorship of the internet?

Why are you content to have profanity, graphic sexual imagery and hate anthems in the poetry threads, but when someone stands up and says "I disagree with you" the site resorts to the totalitarian approach of closing the thread.

It's not because of the person that is disagreeing. It is because of whatever follows. Some things that have been said in this thread can be considered as hateful. That is why it should be closed.

If you happen to have a disagreement with someone, you could take it somewhere a little more private so everyone doesn't chip in their own jibe. (I'm not saying what you are agrueing is jibe at all.)

Lol my comment was just a joke, I didn't take her seriously. I only said that because she posted something belittling on another forum towards me. Onaria, maybe you should ease up. Maia probably feels silly for what she's done, just leave it at that and give her space.

Bombarding her with all the logic in the world won't change her views, and why should she change her views? Because its anti-human? Alchohol is anti human, yet I'll bet you don't complain to anyone about that when they offer you some. Or perhaps you drink it yourself. You can say you're critisizing her work and use a lot of clever arguments, but the fact is your personal feelings are involved. That makes it personal. And if you share no love for Maia, then why should she share love for you?

Ok people i'm absolutely fed up with all the flaming at the minute. Is it so difficult to play nice? Is this kind of behaviour really necessary? I don't think it is. I dislike having to close threads, or delete posts... I might be a moderator and it may be my job to moderate these forums but I prefer to not have to as that means that these forums are being used for what they were intended and not for childish arguments disguised as "debate".

Thread closed.