Finally sent my manuscript for proofreading

[tomwritstuff]

Rather than spending another 10 years on my Manuscript, I finally decided to stop and send it for Proofreading.
I researched many different Proofreading sites on the Internet until I came across one that I liked (not the cheapest!).
I felt it was time to stop otherwise I would be blinded by the hidden mistakes. Time to give it to a professional.
I'm kind of going cold with the idea of Self publishing and I'm going to concentrate on searching for an Agent once I get my manuscript review back.

[Cogito]

If you're going to take that approach, I'd suggest only doing so as a one-shot. Use it to find your poor writing habits - but don't take every suggestion they give you as gospel. You'll have to determine which ones are truly mistakes on your part, and which are merely different stylistic choices.

What you do not want to do is develop the habit of leaning on others to do your proofreading. It can become a costly habit, and it also stunts your development as a writer. You have to develop your own writer's voice, not absorb someone else's. Worse yet, unless you use the same proofreader every single time, your writing voice will be a blur of several styles - your own nascent style blended with the styles of all your editors.

[funkybassmannick]

How much is it got a manuscript proofread?

[VM80]

I did the same once and feel it was a very good decision.

Although I had written for years at the time, I wanted a professional to give me an overview of my work, and some outsider feedback.

It wasn't a case of laziness, or getting someone to point out spelling or grammar errors. My draft was pretty 'clean' in that respect already.
But I learned so much from her comments and suggestions, many of which I implemented, although not all.

[tomwritstuff]

I chose <deleted> to proofread my Manuscript. The price depends on your word count and also what you want read. Its just a case of shopping around, I felt.

I'm hoping the proofreading will give me pointers that I may have missed within the Manuscript.

I've had a few people read it, two of which are teachers. I was glad for there help but they aren't as impartial as a professional might be.

I'm wanting that overview and outsider feedback also.

[Elgaisma]

I would be really interested to hear how you get on with this. I am seriously considering self publishing in a couple of years time and have been wondering about getting a proof reader and how it worked.

[marina]

You know, there's a difference between proofreading (checking for grammar, spelling, etc.) and editing. If you hire someone for both, make sure they're capable of doing both and not just one or the other. Also, you could check with universities in your area and see if they might recommend graduate students who do proof/edit work. I know of someone who got a manuscript done for $2-$3 a page--not sure how many pages it was.

[tomwritstuff]

Hopefully the service they provide is going to be good. Going by the Sites write up, it seems like the real deal.

I'll be happy (Ecstatic!) if the final result from there service is positive and gets me that step closer to fulfilling my goal and gets my manuscript into print.

[MidnightPhoenix]

How much did it cost you?
And congrats and I hope it all goes well for you:)

[tomwritstuff]

It was under £300 for a 55867 word document.

I've given them over a week to get back to me with their response. I thought that if they only take a few days then vital points might be missed or overlooked.

I'm chomping at the bit to get a response though. I feel like a kid again, I want I want!

Cheers for all the support.

[MidnightPhoenix]

Thanks
Keep me post how it when, looking forward in hearing from you:)

[mammamaia]

that's way too short for an adult market novel... is it meant for the YA market?...

and do you realize that it's most likely all money down the drain, as first novels rarely get published?... which is why i have to echo cog's advice to not let this become a habit...

[flanneryohello]

that's way too short for an adult market novel... is it meant for the YA market?...

and do you realize that it's most likely all money down the drain, as first novels rarely get published?... which is why i have to echo cog's advice to not let this become a habit...

My first novel got published. ;) After I rewrote it in its entirety, of course, under the direction of an excellent editor.

I think having a competent editor look over your work can be a very valuable experience, but I also think that writers need to be careful. There are a lot of unscrupulous folks out there who target newbie writers with big publishing dreams, take their money, and offer very little in return. The best way to find a good editor is via personal recommendation.

Of course, you said "proofreader". If you truly mean "proofreader", then really the only thing this person will tell you is that you've got a missing word here, a typo there, and perhaps, if they've got solid grammar skills, they'll also identify and explain any grammatical shortcomings. What a "proofreader" will not do is find story problems, inconsistencies, or offer other sustantive feedback on the actual story or the way you told it.

In that sense, I question how useful a "proofreader" will be as far as improving your writing skills. They're pretty much just there to catch errors.

I'll third the recommendation not to spend a lot of money on this type of thing, though. The editor I worked with was awesome--she was also provided by my publisher, so I paid nothing to work with her. It's more important that you develop your craft skills on your own, as a part of a writing group, or via feedback from readers/other authors, than to pay a service.

[tomwritstuff]

I decided to use the service of a proofreader because I've been writing it for the past 10 years. My styles have more than likely changed and I need someone to check over and bring the styles back into line. So my message is put across in a coherent manner without too much confusion.

OK so I only have 55867 words. Hopefully the proofreading will help me and guide me where I need to improve my manuscript. I don't feel its a waste of money. I need that help to give me the final push so an Agent or Publisher will take me on seriously.

Who actually decides how long a novel or novella should be? Is it not only a guide i.e. a Novella being more than 45000 words and a Novel being about 60000 or more?

If I wanted to pour money down the drain, its far easier to waste it on alcohol. I feel its something I need especially seeing its taken me so long to get to this point.

Hopefully the advice I get from them will help me with my other works and I wont need them proofread!

I'm not aiming for the Adult market, its no Mills and Boon. I'm aiming for the market interested in the Gothic/ Vampire stories but its no Twilight Saga.

Its a cross between Lost Boys meets Highlander meets Blade meets Sharpe. I wouldn't think an old man in his pipe and slippers will enjoy my story. I could be wrong!

[VM80]

Well I guess these are industry standards re. the word count.

I was told by someone I know in publishing they like at least 80,000 words for a first novel, and 90,000 would be better.

As for the 'money down the drain', I completely agree with you. It's your business.

It wasn't a waste of money for me, because I got some very good advice and grew from it. Even if I don't recoup that money, so be it.

[popsicledeath]

Word counts are good general guidelines, but it's also amazing how irrelevant a word count becomes if your work is good (or marketable) enough.

In regards to paying for a proofreader, I wouldn't personally do it, but don't see why someone else shouldn't if they wish. If you're smart about it, know what you're getting into and have reasonable expectations, and most importantly can afford it, then shrug.

One thing I wonder about is how people approach agents after a manuscript has be sent to third party editors. Do you tell them? And if not, couldn't there be issues where your first manuscript, the one they sign a contract based on, is then a higher quality than they can actually expect compared to future work.

I ask because this is an issue already, in general. People get accepted to writing programs, by an agent or to conferences often based on a piece of work they've been polishing for years, and the minute they're expected to produce something new, not having the luxury of all the time in the world, their writing skills pale in comparison to the over-polished draft.

I don't know if there are any standards for handling this, but I personally will inform agents/editors/committees in such scenarios as above generally how long I've been working on a draft, and how long it takes me to produce work. Then again, aside from procrastination and issues like that, I can produce things pretty fast, to a pretty high initial quality, so am not too worried about it personally, but wonder about it in a general sense and what others think or have experienced.

[flanneryohello]

Word counts are good general guidelines, but it's also amazing how irrelevant a word count becomes if your work is good (or marketable) enough.

In regards to paying for a proofreader, I wouldn't personally do it, but don't see why someone else shouldn't if they wish. If you're smart about it, know what you're getting into and have reasonable expectations, and most importantly can afford it, then shrug.

One thing I wonder about is how people approach agents after a manuscript has be sent to third party editors. Do you tell them? And if not, couldn't there be issues where your first manuscript, the one they sign a contract based on, is then a higher quality than they can actually expect compared to future work.

I ask because this is an issue already, in general. People get accepted to writing programs, by an agent or to conferences often based on a piece of work they've been polishing for years, and the minute they're expected to produce something new, not having the luxury of all the time in the world, their writing skills pale in comparison to the over-polished draft.

I don't know if there are any standards for handling this, but I personally will inform agents/editors/committees in such scenarios as above generally how long I've been working on a draft, and how long it takes me to produce work. Then again, aside from procrastination and issues like that, I can produce things pretty fast, to a pretty high initial quality, so am not too worried about it personally, but wonder about it in a general sense and what others think or have experienced.

If you're submitting to agents (or even writing programs), I would expect that you'd only do so with work that has been highly polished. Let's face it, competition is fierce, there are a lot of people trying to be published out there, and putting anything other than your best foot forward would be foolish. Nobody should submit or query a novel that hasn't been edited/revised/proofread/etc. That's not to say that hiring a proofreading service is necessarily the way to go--there are ways to polish a manuscript that don't involve paying people. But the goal is not to be able to produce a perfect manuscript without any outside editing, because that's very unlikely even for a seasoned author (and especially for a newbie unpublished author!) One pair of eyes is never enough, particularly when those eyes belong to someone as non-objective as the author.

When a publisher takes on your book, you'd better believe that it'll be looked at by an editor before it goes to the printer (if they're a decent publisher, at least). So you're not going to be judged harshly for using a third-party to help polish your manuscript--they expect that you're not writing in a total vacuum.

I do think that if it has taken someone 10 years to produce 55k words, he'll need to learn to write a lot faster if his goal is to have any type of career as an author. I think the "average" working, published author produces one book per year. And by "book", I mean a novel of typical length, which tends to be closer to 80k words. Over the past year, I wrote one 105k word novel (which is being published this summer), and a 140k word novel that's still in rough draft form. And I'm hardly the most prolific writer out there, especially since I have a day job!

That said, I don't think it's necessary to tell an agent and/or publisher how long it took you to produce your submitted draft of a novel, nor that you had it professionally proofread. Honestly, I think it's just sort of expected that your manuscript has undergone some type of editing. If it hadn't, why in the world would you be submitting it for publication?

[popsicledeath]

If you're submitting to agents (or even writing programs), I would expect that you'd only do so with work that has been highly polished.

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That said, I don't think it's necessary to tell an agent and/or publisher how long it took you to produce your submitted draft of a novel, nor that you had it professionally proofread. Honestly, I think it's just sort of expected that your manuscript has undergone some type of editing. If it hadn't, why in the world would you be submitting it for publication?

Wow, communication failure, lol.

I'm not talking about submitting a manuscript that isn't polished, I'm talking about the potential or perceived differences between a writer that can produce a fully polished first manuscript after say, a year, as opposed to a writer who's fully polished first manuscript took multiple years, many readers, professional proofreading and editing, etc.

And I understand how the publishing world works (all too well, perhaps unfortunately), and understand how editing works (though increasingly agents or the writers themselves are expected to act as editors, as profit margins are scares and even many big publishers aren't shelling out for professional editing, especially for new writers).

My point, as we both agree, is that manuscripts should be highly polished, and it's assumed that took serious proofreading and editing, but I still contend there may be a huge difference (from the perspective of an agent) from someone who relied on outside resources as opposed to someone who learned to edit themselves (which actual, real editing is a separate skill and every writer won't be good at it, even self-editing or perhaps especially).

But yeah, we agree manuscripts should be highly polished, and that that takes effort and a particular skill set... which is why I find the question so compelling, because if I'm an agent (and I'm not, granted), to me there's a pretty big difference between a writer that can themselves produce that high quality manuscript, and a writer who will require outside, often very expensive, services or will have to learn, which may slow down their production rate.

And I don't think it's wrong or bad what the OP is doing (in fact, it seems good in this case, perhaps). Maybe I should have started a new thread, or these can be moved, so it doesn't seem like I'm giving commentary on the OP, when really it's just general.

[flanneryohello]

Wow, communication failure, lol.

I'm not talking about submitting a manuscript that isn't polished, I'm talking about the potential or perceived differences between a writer that can produce a fully polished first manuscript after say, a year, as opposed to a writer who's fully polished first manuscript took multiple years, many readers, professional proofreading and editing, etc.

And I understand how the publishing world works (all too well, perhaps unfortunately), and understand how editing works (though increasingly agents or the writers themselves are expected to act as editors, as profit margins are scares and even many big publishers aren't shelling out for professional editing, especially for new writers).

My point, as we both agree, is that manuscripts should be highly polished, and it's assumed that took serious proofreading and editing, but I still contend there may be a huge difference (from the perspective of an agent) from someone who relied on outside resources as opposed to someone who learned to edit themselves (which actual, real editing is a separate skill and every writer won't be good at it, even self-editing or perhaps especially).

But yeah, we agree manuscripts should be highly polished, and that that takes effort and a particular skill set... which is why I find the question so compelling, because if I'm an agent (and I'm not, granted), to me there's a pretty big difference between a writer that can themselves produce that high quality manuscript, and a writer who will require outside, often very expensive, services or will have to learn, which may slow down their production rate.

And I don't think it's wrong or bad what the OP is doing (in fact, it seems good in this case, perhaps). Maybe I should have started a new thread, or these can be moved, so it doesn't seem like I'm giving commentary on the OP, when really it's just general.

I understand what you're saying. From a writer's point of view, I wouldn't want to tell a publisher that it took me years to produce a manuscript, and then only with outside paid assistance, because I agree, that could be seen as a detriment. From a publisher's point of view, such considerations might factor in to whether I want to establish a relationship with a certain author. I have a relationship with my current publisher--just signed a contract for the fourth novel of mine they're publishing--and I know they prefer when they're able to work with authors who will produce work regularly (again, at least a book a year), and I know that they probably appreciate that my editing experiences are relatively quick and easy at this point. As a new author I was prolific, but my work was a lot more overwritten and not at all tight. Plus I had some pretty bad habits, which my first editor worked hard to break. The process of editing my first novel was way more intensive than, say, my most recent novel. It took more time and manpower, especially on the part of the editor. I believe my publisher invested that time in me because they hoped I'd produce more work for them, and get better at it, to mutual benefit.

The manuscripts I produce now are much more polished and I've learned a ton in terms of self-editing. I still think that no matter how good I am at self-editing, I need another pair of eyes to really ensure that the work is the best it could be. No author is an island, in other words. So simply seeking outside help is not a bad thing, it's an expected and necessary thing, but if the outside help is doing most of the heavy lifting, then yeah, it's a problem.

At any rate, I don't think publishers are all that keen on the idea of building a long-term relationship with and pouring time and money into an author who can't produce more work to reap the benefits of all that's been invested. So I understand and agree with your general concern.

Again, as an author, I probably wouldn't want to tip a publisher off that it took me years and a lot of outside assistance to produce a manuscript. As a publisher, yeah, I'd probably want to know.

[tomwritstuff]

Just to clarify any confusion.
It took me 10 years to get where I am because I served in the Armed Forces, then I left for a 8 to 5 job. Now I have a nine month old daughter I hardly have time to write.

When my mind has gone stale over the years, I have tried writing other stories until I got that second wind to write some more on the one that I sent for proofreading. I'm hoping it will give me that kick up the backside to get over the teething problems.

I haven't said for definite that I'm going to chose an Agent or Publisher. If I self-publish then I don't think 55k words matters. I'm keeping all options open and hopefully this proofread will give me that final push. It not a competition on who writes the most. I'd sooner use a book of substantial length to prop up the corner of a crooked bed, than spend weeks trying to read it.

Since sending it I have had more ideas and twists etc to put into it, but not until I get their feedback.

I don't plan to submit it unfinished, that would be like going to war without ammunition. Totally disastrous!

If I ever get more than an hour to myself, I'd happily sit down to my manuscript or one of my many planned works. My fiancee and daughter don't let me!

This isn't a career of mine yet! I don't think I'm the next Dan Brown or James Patterson. I still need to be paying the Bills first and working my job as best I can before I let my writings loose for the world to enjoy.

I'm not on here to cause arguments amongst the masses. I am just telling what I've done, in my run up to manuscript completion. Whether I get an Agent or Publisher. Whether I decide to self-publish at 55k words or more!
I was just after hints and tips of what other people have achieved in their goal to getting published. Whichever route you chose!

I'm not on here to be ridiculed and slated for the way I have done things so far. I am not a university graduate. I have very little qualifications other than the ones of my trade. I never came off a production line to be the best writer in the world.

Thanks VM80, 4 and a bit lines of help and encouragement, I appreciate that.

[flanneryohello]

I understand not having much time to write. I have a five-year-old and a full-time job...need I say more. :)

I wasn't trying to put you down for taking a long time to complete a manuscript. As I said, I wouldn't mention it to a publisher. It doesn't necessarily have any bearing on what you can do in the future.

Also, you're right, if you self-publish, length becomes a lot less important. Having said that, I think self-publishers of novellas or short novels need to be very clear within their product description that their book is on the short side, if only to avoid bad reviews from people who had incorrect expectations. Readers do have an idea of how long a "typical" novel is for a particular genre, and can feel disappointed if they pick up something that feels "too short" relative to other books in that genre. I've definitely seen it happen.

Good luck, thank you for your service, and I do sincerely hope it works out for you.

[popsicledeath]

I'm not on here to be ridiculed and slated for the way I have done things so far.

Hope you haven't thought any one is. I'm certainly not. As I've mentioned, I don't think the route you're taking is bad. Especially with more context, I think it's even better for you. As you say, it may be that extra push you need to get this manuscript finalized, and I'm willing to bet you'll learn a ton in the process and the next manuscript comes remarkably fast (that's usually how it works, the first one feels impossible, and they get progressively easier).

I also think there's some merit in waiting until you're ready to commit full time, if you can. What happens if this manuscript gets sent out, and 5 months from now you have an agent ready to sign a deal, already asking about your next novel and how ready it is? Sometimes people only get one shot, even after getting an agent, and if you can't keep that agent and keep work coming, you may be dropped and lose all momentum.

I personally don't ever plan on submitting a novel to an agent or publisher until my second novel is pretty near done. This is so I know how long it takes me after that first learning-novel, and also because if you do get lucky and get interest on the first, you don't want the opportunity to slip away when your agent gets nervous you can't keep producing with a team and many years.

Publishing is a series of harsh realities, and few chances, and one really has to be ready for it or it could slip from their grasp.

I also notice you say in your OP that you felt it was time to send it to a professional. I guess my main point/concern/commentary is that the publishing world is so competitive and cutthroat, that I don't personally think it's worth even submitting to agents until one is ready to work as a professional (though, usually, not with the pay of one, unfortunately). In fact, I'd say the way most people get agent interest at all is in this way, by showing they can produce like a professional before ever being paid as one or even treated like one.

I guess the danger is that right now, you have another 10 years to work on a new manuscript, or continue work on this one, if you really want. But, if you send it out, you may not have that luxury. Your agent will want results, and relatively fast. If you aren't ready for that, I'd say keep working at your own pace until you are.

[psychotick]

Hi Tom,

I think a well done is in order, first for completing your work to the point where you're ready to get it looked over by a professional (and I do hope he's an editor as well as a proof reader), and second for actually biting the bullet and doing it. It may not pay off, you may hate what you get back, but still I think a lot of people never take the step and end up with unfinished / unpublished works that never leave their computer.

I wish you luck.

Cheers.

[mammamaia]

a 'proofreader' won't help you fix up your ms, or tell you what it needs storywise... they only check for typos and major grammar goofs... nothing more...

[tomwritstuff]

I'd like to thank everyone that has posted. Maybe I was so wound up I was taking some of the comments to heart. For that I apologise.

Once I've received my returned manuscript, hopefully it should tell me where I have been going off on a tangent. With the corrected typos,grammar etc, I'm hoping to regain the flow of things. I have put too much into it to let it end up in my computer recycle bin. I need to learn from my mistakes to be able to improve.

I do have a lot of information crammed within my story. Enough maybe to split into a 3 part Saga. Then work on each part individually (as suggested by my brother who has read it already). I have been thinking even harder about areas within it to expand on, since I sent it away.

I do have plenty of other works to carry on with but I need this one finished as my priority. So if I get lucky and they want more of my work, I have plenty of templates to work with. Some are modern day adaptations of classics and others I have are within a similar field to what I sent away.

[VM80]

Hi Tom,

I think a well done is in order, first for completing your work to the point where you're ready to get it looked over by a professional (and I do hope he's an editor as well as a proof reader), and second for actually biting the bullet and doing it. It may not pay off, you may hate what you get back, but still I think a lot of people never take the step and end up with unfinished / unpublished works that never leave their computer.

I wish you luck.

Cheers.

Good points.

When I got back my ms, I also got a 'Mini Critique' (quite comprehensive actually, despite the 'mini'...) and her Editing Notes. Both were very honest. When the opening sentence of the critique is 'The prologue is too long and also a bit boring', you know you're in for it.

But seriously, that was only about a year ago and I've taken a lot of her suggestions on board and find it has improved my current writing.

[VM80]

Thanks VM80, 4 and a bit lines of help and encouragement, I appreciate that.

You're welcome. Let us know what kind of feedback you get.

[Elgaisma]

Yes I am very interested in this as well Tom - I am seriously considering self publishing in a couple of years time if I haven't managed to go down the traditional root.

[tomwritstuff]

As I have said.

Its a cross between Lost Boys meets Highlander meets Blade meets Sharpe. I wouldn't think an old man in his pipe and slippers will enjoy my story. I could be wrong!

I have been reviewing my manuscript personally today, to try and see where a proofreader might alter things. Typos etc.

Once I get the feedback from the proofreader, I have found areas in which I know I could improve on to help me complete it.

I have been watching Sharpe on Dvd over the last week and certain aspects have interested me to borrow for my manuscript. Even the way in which Sharpe is played by Sean Bean and the other actors, has allowed me to picture my own characters as if in a film.

In one episode of Sharpe it mentions Voltaire. Curiosity getting the better of me to find out who he was. Having never heard of him before, I decided to research more about Voltaire to make sure he was real. Quite interesting what I found on the Net. I was looking at some of his quotes and without being involved in a form of plagiarism, I was thinking I could rework some of them into my own words to make them fit into a Vampire world. Using them as a sentence structure but turning them into a characters speech. The way they are said, quite interested me for some of the older characters in my story to use as speech. But as I said completely new words, without quoting his words.

Has anyone else borrowed a format or idea from Authors of yesteryear without getting too deep in copyright infringements?

Maybe had I seen the episode first before sending the manuscript, it would have definitely cost me more because I would have added it. Never mind, its all a learning curve.

As one of my trade trainers once told me years ago 'Failure is Not an Option.' I don't intend to with this work.

But, Que Sera Sera?

[tomwritstuff]

Finally got my Proofread manuscript back today. I am very happy with their comments and corrections.
I'm glad that I decided to go with them as it will now help with future works. I might use them again if I ever get stuck! They only took out 147 words and changed some. No major changes made grammatically, I guessing my writing wasn't too bad after all. Now I just need to slip in the new elements, making sure they follow the flow of the manuscript.

I recommend to anyone who finds themselves in a rut to get their work checked by a professional? It worked for me and it definitely wont take me another 10 years to complete now.

[Tesoro]

Im happy you found it helpful.

[tomwritstuff]

Very much so.

It wasn't too expensive and for what they did do, was exactly what I needed.

Now I just need to finish my manuscript and make the decision on do I Self-publish or find an Agent/ Publisher. I'm still deciding because I keep changing my mind. Its not an easy choice to make. I have the finances to Self-publish and yet an Agent/ Publisher might take more care of my work. Then again I could be waiting months or years to see it in print because of the constant rejection.

I find that choice harder than deciding if I want a cup of tea or a cup of coffee!

[VM80]

Cool that's good to hear.

I'm in a similar boat, in that I'm working on editing my ms and deciding what steps to take after that...

[popsicledeath]

Then again I could be waiting months or years to see it in print because of the constant rejection.


Yeah, but you could also have the instant gratification that is often people's motivation to self-published, and have the novel you've worked so hard on simply collect dust and drown in obscurity.

My concern is you seem to be fine on financing, but not on time. Do you have the time to support a self-published endeavor? People often assuming their work has ended when they click the 'self-published NOW' button, but really your work has just begun.

And I'm of the opinion the only time it's worth actually self publishing is if the work is good enough that you feasibly could find success with it through traditional publishing. Many people self-publish because they know the work won't hold up in traditional publishing routes, so just self-publish because they just want the work out there and don't care what becomes of it, at least they can then say they're published.

If you're wanting to take a serious shot at being a profession author, I'd only self-published after verifiable proof your manuscript is 'good enough' for traditional publishing. Sure, there are those rare exceptions where someone self-publishes and end up rich and famous (after a TON of work, usually), but are you going to trust your future as an author on a one in a million chance at getting really lucky?

So, imo, the time to consider self-publishing is when you have agent interest, and are thinking from a business perspective what you want to do, have more control and higher profit-per-sale self-publishing, or go traditional and have a bit more security and an agent to do most of the leg work when it comes to contracts and marketing.

Going self-publishing because it seems easier, faster and less work, is a mistake though, because it only is those things if you self-publish and then let your manuscript slip into obscurity (which is what a lot of people do, and then blame the world for not understanding their genius, since their self-published and utterly un-supported novel didn't become the next big thing).

[tomwritstuff]

I had 55867 words to begin with. After proofreading it dropped to 55720. Since I got it back and have added a couple more bits that continue the flow and am back up to 55858 at the moment. I still have enough to add, that I thought of whilst it was away for proofreading to easily clear the 70000 mark.

I had a thought though! I remember in my youth reading books at school that had a short story at the end of the main one. Still by the same author but a new story altogether. Possibly to entice the reader to the authors next novel or just a short story!

As some people have said, so far I don't have enough in my current manuscript. That I can agree with at the moment but I am working on it.

If I choose to for example, a self-published route and decide not to continue with the manuscript anymore (I don't want to ruin it with too much padding and irrelevant information!). I had thought about piggy-backing one of my other shorter stories on the end. To give me an incentive to finish that one or just leave it as a short story! Like ones I use to read at school!

Or possibly write an opening chapter for a possible sequel to the one I just had proofread.

Anyone done a similar thing to their Novels? Or is it just a bad idea I should leave as a daft thought?

[psychotick]

Hi,

Just on the self-publishing, there's a number of reasons to go down that road. For me it was initially that I had no agent interest in my first book, so it was that or nothing, plus of course more rejection letters, and after a while they do get to you.

But also self publishing allows you greater control over your work, and so if you want to through another short story on the end, or you don't think the work needs to be seventy thousand or more words, it will allow you to do what and agent / publisher would possibly want you to change.

My advice, finish the work, then try the agents / publishers route, then if you have run out of hope, or the feedback tells you to alter things in a way you don't want, self-publish.

Cheers.

[teacherayala]

As an English teacher myself, I can tell you that we do know a thing or two about grammar, and we are used to editing things. However, we know absolutely nothing about publishing or the market for novel writing. I'm trying to eke my way along on that end myself and have considered getting someone's perspective on some of my short stories in terms of correcting inconsistencies with characters and the like. As suggested by Cogito, I would keep the manuscript with notes on file so that you can refer back to it next time you are proofreading or revising yourself.

[tomwritstuff]

Cheers for that advice. Its given me a lot to think about. Really getting more and more motivated now to make it work.

Just need to polish the last few areas then I can finally put it to bed. I already have areas in which I could take this story into a sequel or stretch out a saga. Kind of like Anne Rice's vampire novels, they are all character linked in some way! I like that for an idea.

Cheers all.

[tomwritstuff]

I'm so glad to have things backed up on dongles.

My other Laptop crashed yesterday and I thought I'd lost all my hard work. Argh! Hunted high and low for my back-up dongle, heart was pounding.
Atleast I've got a spare laptop till I get mine sorted.
All I have to do is add the bits I did lastnight and I'm back to where things went belly up. I've got the areas written down and the exact location to insert them too.