Hi everyone,

I know that a number of people are upset about how Heather was treated by a member of WF.org, a member who was banned from here for his belligerance and other misbehavior.

Please, please do not go there and fight back. All that it will do is inflame the bad feelings that already simmer between the two forums. It's not right to go chasing him down for badmouthing this forum, and it doesn't make us look any better.

Both forums were established for writers. Maybe we're a bit stricter about what we allow here, and some may think that that means we suppress free expression. They have some members there, for example Voodoo, who have a toothy rodent chewing them from within. So what? The more he rants and sputters, the worse he looks. The more we go there and rail back at him, the worse we look.

How would someone be treated here if they came in to rally behind someone who raised a ruckus here? We would react with anger, not only toward the ones that "invaded" our site, but also against the site they came from.

As I said, both sites were established for writers to share their work and to learn to write better. Waging a war over thos few who join sites to cause trouble only serves the troublemakers at the expense of those who are just around to write.

So please, don't heat things up beyond where they are.

Thanks.

Wait, when did all of that happen?

Oww, i was dreading this happening. It was some stupid thing that went on, i was spoken to a little rudely by some person on another site who was badmouthing this site and i mentioned it here. since a few other members went over and got involved, which i really wish hadn't have happened. either way, it has now, but i am fully on Cogito's side, there is no need to start a forum war, we all want one thing which is to better our writing. if some people want to be childish about it then let them be, but leave them to it.

sorry ot have caused all fo this. :(
Heather

You didn't cause it Heather. Voodoo/Jeremy started it, but he is getting just what he wants by sucking other people in.

There is some overlap in membership between the two forums as it is. Anyone could have ended up being the one who stumbled into that pile of poo.

That pile of poo that Voodoo dude do'ed.

Like I said, just ignore him.

With a mouth like his I doupt he has any friends anyway.
He clearly has no idea how to talk to woman.
So I'd rather not be reminded of his existance.

Heather it's not your fault, you had good intentions (I praise ya for sticking up for the forum) however everything seems to have ended up a bit on the sticky situation end.. but oh well, that's life, let's learn and move on, ja? :)

Thanks guys. I just didn't want to end up causing anything, which is why i have decided to ingnore that thread from now on. It just annoyed me to see that he was saying that. not so much that he was saying that, but that he was telling everyone else we are crap aswell which is simply not fair. anywho, let him get on with it i guess.
Heather

He has freedom of speech, and can say whatever he wants.

Thing is, he is showing himself a fool all by himself. He needs no help from us, and why stoop to his level?

Of course he is throwing a tantrum. He was stopped short here when he started spitting venom, so he has to gripe somewhere. At least it's not here.

there is freedom of speech, and then there is being an ass though.

Freedom of speech is all well and good, until exercised by assholes.

At any rate, I vote this should just be left to die. If Jeremy/Voodoo doesn't get any attention from his tantrum, then he'll stop eventually.

Oh, and we have a new member out of it, so all is good :)

on another front, it seems simon was dissed on wf.com and a member here is sending out messages by pm, asking that we go there and post our support of him... but that would be just adding fuel to the flames and go against what you're asking here, cog, wouldn't it?...

anyway, that's what i told the well-meaning but misguided [imo] member who just sent that message and i hope you'll add a repeat of your wise counsel here to that...

love and peace-loving hugs to all, maia

Just ignore Germy(German Voodoo aka Jeremy aka Voodoo). He's already been banned on wf.com once or twice for cussing out the admins, and nobody really pays much attention to his ranting.

But, in classic Voodoo style, I must point out that you mispelled "forum"...

And I must point you to this: How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb? - Writing Forums (http://www.writingforums.org/showthread.php?t=6439)

Yes... I know that you know of it.

And I must point you to this: How many forum members does it take to change a lightbulb? - Writing Forums (http://www.writingforums.org/showthread.php?t=6439)

Yes... I know that you know of it.

I fail to see the relevance...:confused: (and hope I am not breaking a spamming rule by continuing this discussion here.)

pointing out spelling...

Ah, of course... I had read that and it was in my mind as I posted the refered to post. Sorry for being so dense.:p

on another front, it seems simon was dissed on wf.com and a member here is sending out messages by pm, asking that we go there and post our support of him erm, who did that like?? :confused:
Heather

Wow I miss all the good stuff when i'm away...

It is a shame that people can be so closed minded and feel like they have to start acting like this towards other forums, so its up to us to show them that it doesn't matter what they say about us because we know that we're a fantastic community that has too many people hooked :D

Ie. Me

I hope that you'll all agree with both Cogito and I and just ignore the tantrum and not rise to the bait. We're better than that.

erm, who did that like??
Heather

it wouldn't be polite or ethical of me to say, now would it?

I think the best thing would just be to drop all this inter-forum crap.

It's not out of line, Etan, and if that is true, then you should inform the Mod team here about it. This is not what the forum is about; you're right about it getting out of hand.

It has now been handled by the wf.com admins. Voodoo, Hulls Raven, Throth, and "Luther" have all been issued permanent bans; Voodoo, for being a talented, popular, trouble-maker, and the rest for threats and general misconduct so bad that they have been issued the first permanent bans I have ever seen on wf.com (in my admittedly short stay).

Raven was banned? Hmm... I must have really missed something - just what the hell did that kid say to cause all of this?

just to be clear, they were banned on the othersite involved.

I understood that.

Wow. During my time as a regular on WF.com, permanent bans were about as common as they are here...

it wouldn't be polite or ethical of me to say, now would it?

That's a bit harsh.

Oooo...not good. Hulls banned on wf.com? Oh well, I'd agree with mammamaia, doing something like supporting him would be weird.
Nevertheless, one should take lesson from this thread and leave these awful incidents behind.

I'm sorry to be harsh about this, but what has happened is not nice at all. But it does not affect this site, provided we leave it be and move on.

We want this to be over now let it be over. I know there are hard feelings there everyone, but we are here for one thing and that is to be a part of a writing community. Lets put this in the past and get back to what we all came here for and that is to share our writing and improve our skills.

Torana

Hey anyone noticed Hulls Got Banned from wf.com
Interestingly, that has been posted for at least 4 times. ;)

Actualy, it didn't involve posts at all, but all sorts of bad stuff over pm. But.. Torana said let it go, so...

It doesn't matter who started it. They can only start a forum war if we allow ourselves to be sucked into it.

What happens there should stay there.

As in War Games, the only way to win is not to play.

Yes. We disagree. A few over there may, as you say, wish to start a war. Why descend to that level?

The only possible outcome is that we end up looking like unruly children who cannot control ourselves. It will reflact poorly on this forum and everyone in it, in the same way youy are painting WF.com with a broad brush.

Is it defending someone's honor to throw a tantrum in their name?

Exactly what is it that you propose to accomplish by diving in with fists flying? How will that defend the honor of Raven, or Banzai, or Heather, or WF.org as a whole?

If you need to prove something, prove that we can hold to a higher standard of behavior. Or would you rather confirm that we are as bad as you claim they all are?

It only takes a few people to make a forum look like a bad roadhouse at closing time.

From what I saw, Banzai and Heather can defend themselves very capably:D.

and HR is to blame for what happened to him.

What's left to fight about? Voodoo was banned there, so what evil enemies are there to war against?

I just seen that Voodoo was banned :)
I'm happy.

There's absolutely no need to have "wars" of any kind. The members of WF.com and WF.org are the same breed of people and I don't see any reason there would be any problem.

The staff at WF.com has its reasons for banning Hulls Raven. However, it has always been the policy of WF.com to not discuss moderation issues, protecting the privacy of both the moderators and the forum members. We are level headed people.

Regards,

Shawn

Originally Posted by mammamaia
it wouldn't be polite or ethical of me to say, now would it?

That's a bit harsh.

huh?... what's 'harsh' about that?... do you actually think it would be polite or ethical of me to name the person whose privacy i'm respecting???... would you think i was being harsh if it was you i wouldn't name, frost?

We all are, Shawn, which is why I don't understand how this has been blown so out of proportion...

Good to see you here, though :)

There is an old saying which says "Fight fire with fire" However, firefighters use water.

So my friends the moral of the story is

Let's do what the professionals do and take the cool approach.

I don't know why WF.com banned Raven. I don't much care why, either, because I know he is an honorable man, and I respect him. There is no benefit to a war between forums.

From what I have seen of the two forums, we are more alike than we are different. They get troublemakers, and we have had our share of them too. We always will.

And we do have members in common, so let's not add to whatever bad feelings have developed between the forums.

I'm not above kicking butt if it serves a purpose. But I make damned sure it DOES serve a purpose, and not just to pound on my chest and be the Alpha ape.

So let's let it pass, support our people here without trying to tear down those on the other shore.

You know, like what we deplore in world events?

Nobody gets banned from any forum for any reason other than failing to abide by the rules

Not to mention we practically share names...

Sadly, Baron, that's not always true. But as I said, what happens there is not in our control. And Hulls Raven has done plenty to deserve our repect here.

Indeed. He is a great mod.

unfortunately what Cog says is true. Cliques form and jealousy steps in and someone is kicked out.
I am enjoying my time here as everyone is friendly and helpful.
Sure hope it stays this way.

Hull's Raven is not the only person to be banned and the over-reaction by people who want to further strife is no better than the original cause of the dispute. This is getting blown into childishly outrageous proportions.

ANY attempt to continue strife is not sanctioned by this forum.

edited...

Seriously don't you think that it is time this was put behind us so we can get back to doing what we are all here to do?

It's in the past so get over it and move on already. No one wants strife, no one is asking for strife. Lets just all move past this and get back to the writing side of things now.

Torana

Sorry but yeah just my thoughts.....

Doesn't matter anymore. :)

Heather

I think its safe to say this has finally gotten old all speculations have been discussed so I think its locking time.




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