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Sapphire
11-19-2007, 05:16 PM
Alright, to get this straight, I would like to know if it is allowed to capitalize the sentence of dialogue in a story due to anger such as:

"I WILL NOT BE YOUR SLAVE!" yelled the boy.

If it is not, then what way can you possibly express it to make the reader feel the anger?

Crimson Threnody
11-19-2007, 05:25 PM
Generally, it isn't suggested. The way to context anger is usually after where you said "yelled the boy"

"the boy yelled angrily" or something of that manner.

Sapphire
11-19-2007, 05:39 PM
What I really mean is how do you really express it in a way where you can actually feel the anger pulsating throughout the character as you read it? Not just the general verb to describe the emotion.

adamant
11-19-2007, 05:44 PM
Perhaps focus on body language?

The tears pouring from his face as he protests. Shaking fists held at his sides, causing his voice to reverberate and trip over itself. Crimson tides overwhelming his cheeks. Et cetera.

Cogito
11-19-2007, 06:58 PM
Find a movie with a screaming, over the top argument.

Now play it with the volume muted. Can you still tell they are screaming mad and out of control? How?

Answer that, you'll have a better idea how to write the shouting match without the all-caps hack.

Sapphire
11-19-2007, 07:27 PM
Alright. That makes more sense. But now a new question pops into mind:

How bad is it to use "?!" in a yelling question?

adamant
11-19-2007, 07:33 PM
Interrobang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang)

EyezForYou
11-20-2007, 09:59 AM
Try using metaphors and similes, along with physical descriptions.

mammamaia
11-20-2007, 01:46 PM
bottom line: editors won't like/approve double punctuation or all-caps...

'nuff said?

Sapphire
11-20-2007, 04:26 PM
The question about that is 'why'? Unprofessional, unnecessary, what?

mammamaia
11-21-2007, 02:25 PM
both...

Robert
11-21-2007, 05:05 PM
Alright, to get this straight, I would like to know if it is allowed to capitalize the sentence of dialogue in a story due to anger
Yes, it's allowed. It's your story, you can do whatever you want to.

Cheers,
Rob

mammamaia
11-22-2007, 02:20 PM
of course, it's allowed... you can type whatever you want... but if you intend to submit it anywhere, you'd be foolish to submit it looking like the work of an amateur who doesn't know or doesn't care about professional standards...

Robert
11-22-2007, 03:59 PM
Whose 'professional standards' do you mean? The standards set by a bottom end online ezine? One of the higher quality non-paying literary ezines? A literary printed mag? A low-volume anthology? A writing competition? A women's magazine? McSweeney's? A small independent publisher? A major publishing house? 'Anywhere' covers a lot of ground.

The 'standards' vary depending on who/where you're trying to get published. One thing I've learned, you see exceptions to most things that are considered 'not allowed' in writing forums. I've seen published work like that posted at the start of the thread. It might not be common and it might not be what I'd use, but it exists. The publishing world is often not as black and white as it's claimed in writing forums.

Cheers,
Rob

Cogito
11-22-2007, 06:04 PM
The fact is, your work is more likely to be considered for publication if you do follow the standards of writing you can find in the various style guides.

The questions in the SPAG forum are in regards to what are the accepted Best Practices. The preferred way to indicate shouting, or any emotional context for that matter, is not through all-caps, or bold fonts, or other such gimmicks. The way to show strong emotion is to set up the scene properly to indicate it.

Daniel
11-23-2007, 01:05 PM
As has already been stated, it's generally not preferable. There are some situations in which caps may be appropriate. However, it's typically better to show the anger through things like body language, thoughts, and literary descriptions. Personally, I avoid using the exclamation mark. Why? It's silly, but because it's rarely used. When I see it I think it looks funny - there's nothing wrong with it, but for me it feels out of place. While not exactly the same, using all caps can also look out of place and unprofessional - not because it's wrong, but because it isn't accepted and used regularly.

Peter
11-23-2007, 08:21 PM
When in doubt, bring in a quote:

"Duck" by Des Dillon

QUACK QUACK an put the freshness back.
QUACK QUACK.

do the shake an vac QUACK QUACK QUACK an put the
freshness back. QUACK QUACK Do the shake an vac
QUACK QUACK an put the freshness back.
QUACK QUACK.

QUAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!

"1982, Janine" by Alasdair Gray

"Charlie," she gasps, "what are you trying to do?"

"Listen Terry. Listen hard or you won't understand a thing. We're in the basement of an organisation which will pay me big money for bringing you here. But before I hand you over I'm going to give you something extra special to remember me by."

And his hands cruelly grasp her buttocks and DANGER OVEREXCITEMENT DANGER OVEREXCITEMENT, THINK OF THINGS QUICK WHAT? ANYTHING, THESE I HAVE LOVED THE ROUGH MALE KISS OF BLANKETS, GOOD STRONG THICK STUPEFYING INCENSE SMOKE and jellies soother than the creamy curd.

If truth be told, both writers use typographical effects throughout their novels, but hopefully my point is clear: if you want to use CAPITALS, then use them - it's your fiction.

mammamaia
11-24-2007, 03:10 PM
as both examples are more 'cultish' figures in the uk, than internationally renowned best-selling authors, i'd still have to stick to what i said, that cog and daniel have more or less seconded...

Peter
11-24-2007, 06:12 PM
Sorry, but I still disagree. There is nothing wrong with using typographical effects. It's an established fictional device, just like characterisation, or narrative device, or whatever.

Also, Alasdair Gray is in no way 'cultish' - he's one of the giants of British literature.

Robert
11-25-2007, 03:29 AM
There are plenty of other examples of all-caps in dialogue, for instance:

Mollusks, Arthur Bradford (best of McSweeneys Vol 1):

'Teresa baby, you got to COME QUICK! You got to come out here and see this! You got to see what we found today!" he yelled.

The Sound Sweep, JG Ballard

He flung his head back, let out an ear-shattering shout. 'I CAN TALK! HEAR ME!'

The brief and frightening reign of Phil, George Saunders

"NEW PRESIDENT VOWS TO ELIMINATE BORDER THREAT!" shouted the first little man.

"NEW PREZ TO NATION: YOU SHALL KNOW PEACE!" shouted the second.

It's not hard to find more. It's not me or Peter that the people here are disagreeing with when they say something like (to use M's words):

bottom line: editors won't like/approve double punctuation or all-caps...

it's the authors/editors/publishers of the above and many similar examples. Those examples speak for themselves and demonstrate that contrary to what has been written upthread it is 'allowed' to use all-caps in the way the OP asked about. All-caps is not the only way to do it and may not even be the most common, but as Peter and I have shown, it is allowed. Anyone who considers themselves a budding writer should be reading plenty, and if you read plenty you'll find that the publishing world is often not as black and white as it's sometimes painted in writing forums.

Remember, too, that 'writing' covers an enormous variety of styles, tastes, genres, audiences, so it's worth keeping an open mind when someone claims that something isn 't 'allowed'. Learn from your reading what the conventions are in the area of writing you're interested in and be prepared to have to justify it if you're stepping outside of the conventions.

Cheers,
Rob

trailer trash
11-25-2007, 04:29 AM
Sapphire,

As Rob has pointed out there are times when caps may be appropriate; and even sanctioned by an Editor. But, for the greater part most Editors will probably toss your manuscript in the slush pile if every time you need to express anger are strong emotion of a character you use caps.

IMO it is a bad habit start. And like all bad habits even harder to break. Words can express any degree of anger along with proper punctuation. Don’t use caps as a crutch.

Today we live in a diverse society were profanity is abundant and widely used at almost every turn. And in almost every instance it expresses anger are distaste. So you may wish to consider spicing up your dialogue a little. Consider any other options if possible, particularly if you are looking to get published. Caps used as you indicated are a poor substitute for emotional expression, and would only show to others that you are perhaps a little lazy in your composition.

Elmo

PS:
This seems strong enough to me. "I will not be your slave!” he said. And keep in mind that the give and take of the dialogue between the characters should serve to increase the tension.

Robert
11-25-2007, 08:20 AM
But, for the greater part most Editors will probably toss your manuscript in the slush pile if every time you need to express anger are strong emotion of a character you use caps.
Slush pile is the term used for unsolicited submissions. Perhaps you mean something else.

What makes you think most editors would reject a manuscript (if that's what you're suggesting) in which someone had used all-caps for dialogue at some point? Is this based on direct experience, or have you seen this documented somewhere (not including an unsubstantiated post in a writing forum)?

Cheers,
Rob

Cogito
11-25-2007, 06:42 PM
Without a doubt you can find many examples where all caps is used for emphasis and to indicate shouting.

Here is an example from the Chicago Manula of Style's Q and A (http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/CMS_FAQ/CapitalizationTitles/CapitalizationTitles12.html) pages:Q. What would you say to a translator who says that an author’s use of all caps for EMPHASIS should stand? I tried to invoke house style but she is claiming it is, well, LITERARY. I’d like to explain to the author and translator this looks AMATEUR at best, and to say, look, WE JUST DON’T DO THAT.

A. If it’s not a lot of text, I would just put it in small caps without discussing it further. If it’s a lot, I would press on in my arguments, e.g., “I feel I must more strenuously insist on the use of italics for emphasis instead of all caps. Chicago style avoids the use of artificial emphasis in any form, including italics, which are sometimes perceived by readers as a writer’s crutch and (heaven forbid) a result of careless editing. We are also conscious of the wide influence of e-mail etiquette, in which the use of all caps is criticized as the equivalent of shouting. I’m afraid there is rarely a place for all capitals in published work these days.”


The problem in finding references to the proper use of all caps in style guides for writers is that there really is no recommended usage other than in certain acronyms. Some guides mention the use of all caps in some titles, but it is still not generally preferred. Other than that, the only other instance you are likely find is that all caps in online communications should be avoided as it is considered rude.

trailer trash
11-26-2007, 05:18 AM
Rob,

Yes, you’re absolutely right about the slush pile thing. I simply meant, and should have said that your manuscript may not be given the attention it might well deserve if ones only way of expressing anger or distaste are with the use of all caps.

It is undeniably clear that some published authors have used this technique and done well with it -- as you have already pointed out in previous post. And then there are the distinctions between cultural readerships, which may in-fact, support your claim even further. Non-the-less, as an avid reader since birth, I have not found this to be the case in my own experience.

It was presumptuous of me to state that:

"But, for the greater part most Editors will probably toss your manuscript in the slush pile if every time you need to express anger are strong emotion of a character you use caps"

I should have said, instead: In all likelihood most editors will probably perceive you writing as weak and undeserving of further review -- and simply toss it.

As neither a Publisher nor Editor I spoke out of turn here. And without any supporting evidence. My opinion is based exclusively on my own educational background in which classroom text books never really addressed this particular issue. But, It has been my own experience to see the use of all caps in writings most often occurs when references is made to newspaper headlines and such as that.

And it is still my opinion that all caps is a weak and poor way to express anger are any other emotion in writing, which could just as easily have been done in a more traditional method; as I have already stated and demonstrated in my previous post. This seems like an issue that should be settled by standard grammatical rules and techniques of composition.

Elmo

PS: Sorry about all the edits, but I really wanted to make my postion clear on this issue.
PPS: Cogito -- Thanks for putting and end to this question.

Gunslinger
12-03-2007, 04:47 PM
I would just go with the " ". I think it is just easier on the reader.