Coalitions, Treason and Political Suicide

By Banzai · May 10, 2010 · ·
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  1. [Copied and pasted from my external blog. Please do take a look. I'm trying to update regularly, every few days or so]

    So Thursday's election didn't go too well. I don't think any of the parties were particularly satisfied with the outcome. I know I wasn't. But thinking on it, depending on how this is handled, Labour (and, in my opinion, the country) could actually come out of this in a good position.

    Allow me to elaborate. Labour is beaten. The acceptance of that is paramount, and indeed I believe even Gordon Brown has accepted it. For all the Tory press might be moaning about him still being in Number 10, the Tories (though they almost certainly will) cannot yet form a government. It would irresponsible for Mr Brown, a man to whom duty is very important, to leave the country without a government. So, the most likely options are that the Tories will go into coalition with the Lib Dems, or form a minority government. Neither will be overwhelmingly stable, and particularly given the difficulty of the massive cuts the Tories intend to force through, they won't be popular. Which will make their government more unstable, and more likely to collapse. If a Labour government can reposition itself as a strong opposition party, opposing the dramatic damage that a Conservative government would do to our economy, Labour could sweep them aside in the resulting election. Potentially.

    But the man who I really feel sorry for at the moment is Mr Nicholas Clegg. He's not having a good time of it at the moment. After being the star of the election campaign, his surge of votes failed to materialised. Still, the result was a hung parliament, which has been the Lib Dem's wet dream for a long, long time. And now it's turning into a nightmare for him.

    From his perspective, he either supports Labour, or the Conservatives. He's already voiced his concern at the legitimacy of propping up a Labour government which to all intents and purposes, lost the election. He's also already said that the Tories should have first shot at forming a government. So far, so good. But since he's effectively the kingmaker, he has to choose one. And as a Lib Dem, there are certain things he wants, including: voting reform; reform of the House of Lords; greater integration with the EU; and the dismantling of Trident. And he'll get precisely none of those from David Cameron. Regardless of how DC feels personally on the issue, his party is completely opposed to all of those things. So how does Clegg make a deal? Presumably something is being hammered out behind closed doors, but I'm really not sure what.

    And then, there is the fact that the vast majority of people who did vote for the Lib Dems did not do so because they agreed with the Tory policies. The Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are not the same party. They are not on the same side of the political battle-lines. Realistically, they are closer to Labour, and in a deal with Labour would get at least two (possibly three) things on Clegg's policy wish list. If he makes a deal with Cameron, to put Cameron in Number 10, he will be going against the wishes of a large portion (if not all) of his voters. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how to make sure that you don't see power again any time soon. If you go against the clear wishes of your party and your voters, you may as well put the gun to your head and pull the trigger. You'll be about as useful as a politician that way.

    Clegg owes the Conservative voters nothing. You don't elect a politician of one party, to serve the interests of another. If Clegg trades his policies for a minor seat at the Conservative cabinet table, he's a fool. The consequences would outweigh the benefits (with the possible exception of if he could get George Osborne's seat for Vince Cable, and take that clueless muppet out of government completely, before he can even think about implementing a flat tax rate).

    What Clegg does will depend on how smart he actually is. If he's particularly thick, he'll enter into a coalition with the Tories, and the dream of three party politics will be over for another century or so. If he's less thick, he might enter a coalition with Labour, and hope it holds up long enough for the positive effects of economic recovery to be noticed despite Murdoch's screeching. If he's particularly smart, he'll give the Tories a minority government, wait for it to collapse, and then wait for the surge of anti-conservative feeling to carry the Lib Dems along with Labour into a new era of two-party politics, and the Tories can take up the Lib Dem's former non-entity status.

    But at this point, we just have to wait and see.
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  1. madhoca
    Maybe things have changed a lot since my day, but I don't agree that the supporters of the Lib Dems are necessarily closer to Labour than the Conservatives. It depends if you are talking about old or new labour and trad status-quo-maintaining or rather more courageous conservatives.

    Given the Lib Dems collapse of support, in fact perhaps their only voters were either registering a protest (not many in this camp I wouldn't have thought, although I'm talking about England here, not that other place), sitting on the fence as if glued to it, or real old-fashioned Liberals from the Westcountry (they're a dying breed as well...)
  2. s.knight
    You didnt mention the proportional representation card.
  3. Banzai
    Didn't I?

    ;)

    He's not going to get any more than the cross-party inquiry that Cameron's already offered, which is pretty much politi-speak for "Go **** yourself".
  4. Banzai
    I think I really have to defer to your judgement on the Liberals, given that you know a lot more about them than I do, but looking at the policies pursued at the moment by each, I can see more similarities between Labour and Lib Dem than Tory and Lib Dem; i.e. voting reform, constitutional reform, Europe, devolution, etc. Also, there's the natural political alignments of the parties (which admittedly are of less significance today than they used to be, but I still think form a noteworthy aspect of British politics), with Labour and Lib Dem being notionally similar in their leaning to the left, whilst the Conservatives are further right wing than both.

    In terms of their votes being protest votes, I'm not so sure. My own suspicion is that despite all the media hype about Lib Dem chances, it withered away at the ballot box, and they emerged with fundamentally the same mix of true believers and usual protest voters, with maybe a few more added in who were alerted to the Lib Dems' existence by the debates, et al. I'm don't think there was an overwhelming reaction to the big two, in favour of the Lib Dems, but I do feel that other smaller parties (including a lot of one-issue parties, such as the Greens down here, and the BNP pulling worrying numbers of votes across the country) gained from anti-political feeling.

    Hopefully that made something resembling sense...
  5. s.knight
    Lol er. . 'Voting reform' can mean any number of things :)

    PR is the lib dem holy grail. It could make them a real political force should the reform ever materialize.
  6. Banzai
    Yeah, it could mean any number of things, that's a fair point. But I think that if Lib Dems were offered an alternative vote system, rather than PR, then it would be something that would be very tempting to them.

    PR would be very good, I think, for both Labour and the Lib Dems. I can see this country being run very effectively by a coalition of the two (or I could, if policy was considered more important than personality). The reason that I think the Conservatives are so opposed to it, is that actually they find it very hard to work with other parties. They like to be in control, and if there is a sticking point on this proposed Con/Lib deal, then it will be that; Conservatives not willing to offer enough in the way of compromise.
  7. Banzai
    Yeah, it could mean any number of things, that's a fair point. But I think that if Lib Dems were offered an alternative vote system, rather than PR, then it would be something that would be very tempting to them.

    PR would be very good, I think, for both Labour and the Lib Dems. I can see this country being run very effectively by a coalition of the two (or I could, if policy was considered more important than personality). The reason that I think the Conservatives are so opposed to it, is that actually they find it very hard to work with other parties. They like to be in control, and if there is a sticking point on this proposed Con/Lib deal, then it will be that; Conservatives not willing to offer enough in the way of compromise.
  8. s.knight
    Well, Labour are just as clingy when it comes to 'being in control'. Hence their current desperation.

    Its a tribalistic propaganda-war at the moment.
  9. Banzai
    I'm not sure in what way you think it's a propaganda war. The press is still churning out bollocks, but that's the same as any other time. On the contrary, the parties have their lips tightly sealed at the moment.

    And as for Labour being clingy, of course they want to stay in power. Any party that doesn't is pointless. But what I'm saying is that they're prepared to make compromises and share power, which DC seems very unwilling to do, at the moment. He knows the price for the Lib Dems' support, and he doesn't seem willing to pay it, despite the fact that a lot of the electorate do think that some form of voting reform is a good idea.
  10. s.knight
    Firstly, you should know what a propaganda war is.
    Secondly, Lord Cameron (pbuh) stated, clearly, on friday, that he was prepared to make compromise for the greater good. And since - as you observed - they are being tight lipped, holy cam's statement is pretty much all we have to go on. And that indicates that he is indeed prepared to compromise.
    The rest is conjecture :D
  11. Gallowglass
    Lib Dem key policies are civil liberties. Labour's record on those is pretty poor (it's actually appalling, by western standards). The Conservatives refused to pipe up when they were in opposition, but there were a few mumblings about rolling back the surveillance state during the election campaign.

    Other issues that are raised by Liberal Democrat supporters are the Iraq war, fairer taxes, and marriage. The Conservatives put the last two nicely together, and the former they didn't oppose - but didn't start, either.

    Cameron is a left-wing Tory, and Clegg is one the right-wing of the Lib Dems. They are far closer than Clegg is to Brown, especially as he is also a 'toff,' the people Gordon Brown spent the better part of a year insulting with massive tax increases for no good reason. Brown realising that UKIP and the BNP would be snapping at his heels with PR would see the issue of electoral reform delayed and delayed because of 'economic priorities.'

    And, if you read my blog, a Labour-Lib Dem coalition would be beaten into flowing glass at the polls, whenever the next election is held.
  12. Banzai
    And if you see my comment on your blog, you'll see why that is presumptuous.
  13. Gallowglass
    Presumptous, but that's generally been the theme of this election. In uncertain times, assumptions change opinion - tactical voting is one result, as are safe seats.
  14. Fallen
    Lib-con's are looking at keeping the NI increase for employees, but letting the employers off. I know If it had beeen increased for both then employers would be paying the increase twice: in their own wage packet, and then as a part of a contribution to thir employees, BUT...and it's a big but, I'm already getting that sinking feeling that the conservatives are looking after thier own already.

    Always said a vote for the lib dem's was a vote for the conervatives; and it's gonna make POM's question time interesting. If Clag takes up Deputy PM, does he have any standing to question as hard as the opposition (Labour, in this case)?

    I bet we're looking at mortagage rises. Christ, they were bloody 11% - 16% under conservatives in 1997.

    I bet they throw us back in to recession. The Lib dems have just agreed to 6mill out of the economy (and they were with Labour on this that it would tear the economy up).

    *sighs* Lib-con -- conned.
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