How Marvel Changed Hollywood.

By halisme · Aug 26, 2016 · ·
  1. In May of 2008 Iron Man proved to be a surprise hit, and caused Marvel Studios, the film branch of the comic publisher, to attract a lot of eyes. They were more or less the underdog of the film industry, the new kid on the block who had sold the rights to some of their most popular characters a few years earlier. They couldn't really do anything serious. They'd hired Robert Downey Jr, who was washed up at the time, to play Ironman, a character who people might have recognised from the name and iconography, but the general public knew very little about.


    On a budget of $140 million, the film made $585.2 million.


    While we can’t tell how profitable the film is, due to marketing costs being hidden, a rule that can used is that, if a film makes twice its budget worldwide, it’s broke even, so it’s likely that Marvel doubled their money. The only film in Marvel’s first phase (Captain America, Thor, Hulk and Iron Man 1&2) that did not follow this rule is The Hulk, likely explaining why there has not been a sequel. With each of these films they proved that minor characters could be profitable, and that they could keep true to the source material. Disney also saw the talent and potential that the studio had, and purchased them in two thousand and nine. Then…

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    On a budget of $220 million, the Avengers earned $1.52 billion, over five times its initial budget, and becoming the third highest grossing film of all time. Since then it has slipped to position number five, showing a good sense of longevity. It is at this point, Marvel proved crossovers could be extremely profitable, and that four years spent building a narrative can make a film successful. The only other crossovers that jump to mind from before Marvel are Freddy vs Jason and Alien vs Preadator, and neither of these were particularly profitable. Marvel was successful though. Wildly successful. Not quite James Cameron successful (Avatar and Titanic being first and second on the grossing list,) but successful none the less. Marvel went from underdog to sitting upon the throne.

    As a franchise, they’ve been going for eight years without a reboot, and with no major failings. Marvel made a film with a racoon and a talking tree as main characters profitable. They made film where a guy who talks to ants and rides them is profitable. They could release a Howard the Duck film and it would probably be profitable. And people have taken notice.

    To finish off and provide a little more proof, here are the cinematic universes that studios have planned to put into action since the Avengers:

    • Universal Studios Monsters Universe, Dracula untold being the first film to be released from it, and a reboot of “The Mummy” currently being filmed. This was announced in twenty twelve.
    • Paramount’s Transfomers Cinematic Universe, the idea being to expand the current films from a linear story to a more branching series. Announced in twenty fifteen.
    • Warner’s DC Universe, created to rival Marvel from its inception. Man of Steel began filming in 2011, 3 years after the Marvel cinematic universe began, and there’s no real way of telling when they began planning, though with Batman V Superman’s date, it’s likely after The Avengers
    • Sony’s Spiderverse: Despite only having access to one popular character, Sony thought themselves capable of creating a cinematic universe based off Spider Man and associated characters. This has now been shelved.
    • Sony’s Ghostbusters Universe: While never formally announced, the Sony hack of twenty fourteen revealed a lot of information which wasn’t meant to go public, one of which was this project. It has since been shelved with the flop of the latest Ghostbusters film.
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Comments

  1. Oscar Leigh
    Yes, there's been some inspiration given. But the idea of linking movies together was never shocking. They've been other people with interconnected movies before. And Marvel's success is not enough to influence anything much because people still ultimately do what they want and what they want varies.
  2. Corbyn
    I agree with Oscar to a point, part of what makes Marvel so successful is the writing. A good showcase of this is the current embattlement over Suicide Squad. Marvel did a MUCH better job of giving us unique, rich, and full characters in a way that other studios and directors have NOT been able to keep up with.

    Even with so many characters tied together in the Avengers, or even Guardian's of the Galaxy, by the end of the films as a watcher you get a good sense of the universe, the characters, and the plot is cohesive, again not to pick on Suicide Squad or it's director, but it is a prime example of what not to do.
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  3. halisme
    The point isn't that Marvel is badly written, the point is a the studios saw the cinematic universe and thought "lets do that". The fact that Marvel has had an interconnected narrative for so long with only a few slip ups is a testament to how well planned they have everything.
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  4. ManOrAstroMan
    I think a big part of the problem DC has been having is that they've been trying to make everything match the tone of the Bale BatMan movies. And that almost gothic darkness doesn't really work with Superman.
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  5. Corbyn
    @halisme you're right, Marvel does have an extremely interconnected narrative, and it is well planned, but I'm curious why you believe they've had bad writing? I think the really good writing done on those scripts is a testament to their narratives.

    @ManOrAstroMan You maybe right, I was never a fan of Bale Batman. This maybe beccause I grew up in the 80s-90s with the various incarnations of goofy batman. In a way I miss the camp of it. I do enjoy the darker bat films, but I don't think I'll be enjoying the Super/Bat combo either. I've yet to watch more than 5 minutes of Dawn of Justice, just can't make myself do it.
  6. halisme
    I never said they had bad writing. I've said they had a few slip ups, but thats about it.
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  7. halisme
    Ah, poorly phrased previous comment.
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  8. Corbyn
    @halisme I'm sorry, I miss read your post. It seemed like you were implying they had bad writing. My bad.
  9. halisme
    No, its ny fault for poorly wording it.
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  10. ManOrAstroMan
    @Corbyn it's an enjoyable enough movie, but you have to watch it in the right mindset. It's definitely different from, say, the Marvel movies. I would call it more of a character study than anything else.
    Going forward, I think it would be a very good idea if DC made their films the way they've been making their tv shows, like the Flash or Super Girl. These actually feel like a comic book. There's sunlight. Primary colors. Smiling. And, emotional depth and character development.
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  11. Oscar Leigh
    Flash is corny and main actor is a little annoying and silly in performance and writing. But yes, it does what it does well though, the issue is Agents if S.H.I.E.L.D does that too so they can't quite use that as a point of difference to market of. That's the issue, they're just not that good at adapting stuff. All they're movies have failed or at best been mediocre. Marvel's just woopin' them. But Marvel has a lead in the comic book field too. To many people, Batman is DC only consistently good thing. Honestly, Marvel had better early writers. The early comics come off as shallow and with insanely talkative fights, but they havd intelligent themes and character depth somewhat sneakily hidden, and clever cultural appeal that hit the zeitgeists of their readers.
  12. ManOrAstroMan
    @Oscar Leigh but that corniness is what makes it work. It's a level of self-awareness which Marvel has used to excellent effect. DC, in their recent movies, have been trying to be 3hardcore5u. And while Bat Man does deal with very dark themes, to make the whole universe that grim and despairing is a bad move.
    And I will not have a bad word said about the Fastest Puppy Alive.
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