On Meditation

By Forkfoot · Apr 1, 2011 · 482 · 8
  1. Meditation is where an imaginary thing called "me" tries to still an imaginary thing called "the mind" so that in an imaginary place called "the future" an imaginary thing called "enlightenment" might be attained.

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  1. Tessie
    Where an imaginary thing called "wish" would come true? Tell me this is so, master.
    Tessie, Apr 1, 2011
  2. Forkfoot
    Granted for whom? It's all imaginary.
    Forkfoot, Apr 1, 2011
  3. Bay K.
    "I think, therefore I am", it was once said.
    If you, then, possess this thinking mind, are you and/or your mind still imaginary?
    Bay K., Apr 1, 2011
  4. Forkfoot
    Who thinks? There is no one, separate thing called a self, and there is no one, separate thing called a mind. Thoughts (including memories) appear and disappear in a vast, limitless field of awareness with nothing uniting them into a single entity that is separate from anything else.

    You can say "I am" if you like, because the fact that there is awareness (in which objects like thoughts and sense-impressions seem to arise) cannot be disputed, but beyond that you're at a loss to say with certainty what that is. You can say "I am", but it's incorrect to say "I am this body, this mind, this soul, which is separate from the rest of the universe."
    Forkfoot, Apr 1, 2011
  5. jonathan hernandez13
    It seems that there are certain tangible benefits to meditation. From what I hear, it may be able to lower blood pressure, aid in relaxation, etc.

    My big problem with meditation is that it often gets mixed in with a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo about Chakras and Chi and bloody spinning Dervishes.

    No need to appeal to spirits and geists, if you want to feel enlightened there are people who used to (and still do) take hallucinogens just for that.

    And apart from being relaxed, as far as I know no one alive has ever levitated, became an immortal being, or spoke with anyone else telepathically under controlled double blind test conditions.

    Meditation without mysticism equals wasted time as far as I am concerned.:)
    jonathan hernandez13, Apr 1, 2011
  6. Pallas
    Isn't that the point of meditation? At least when I try to, I do not try to insulate myself or bolster a thought of individualism among all things. I try to take in more of the unseen, unheard world, in a sense, heightening my senses to detect the flow of the ether, this amalgamation of collective consciousness. Any personal truths I may encounter is wholly a plus.

    Jonathon, haven't you heard? There are Jains living off the energy of the universe right now. I still got a ways to go though...:/
    Pallas, Apr 1, 2011
  7. jonathan hernandez13
    Of course there are...rubbish:rolleyes:
    jonathan hernandez13, Apr 1, 2011
  8. Forkfoot
    Meditation's a great way to make existence more comfortable; kinda like buying a new sofa or taking painkillers. As an added bonus, it can also make you a lot more pleasant to be around, so in that respect it's like you get painkillers for your friends and neighbors as well.

    No matter what you're doing, the story behind it is that you're still a separate individual, doing something to get somewhere in the future. In reality, no one has ever been separate from enlightenment, separate from the divine.
    Forkfoot, Apr 2, 2011
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