Progressive? I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPF1gTQ12bg

At least one person agrees with you.

You are always so insightful with everything you say.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I find it abominable that we took such a big step forward electing a black president (moderately democratic myself, I like Obama; ...yet I have to believe that he won at least in some small percentage from reverse racism and sheer ignorance) and simultaneously took an even bigger step backward.

I dont take issue with what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms or their skin color. I feel it's a horrible thing to do so. How people can be so divided on the subject really surprises me. Proposition 8 should have been a question of legality -not an issue of morality; I thought the separation of church and state occured centuries ago.

I am also very ashamed.

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Scattercat- Thank you. Mr Olbermann's words gave me goosebumps.

"The sanctity of marriage." To be honest, I dont think there's a lot of that anymore. Divorce rates are higher than ever. Britney Spears' forty-eight hour marriage was legal, too. People marry each other so that they can immigrate to this country. So many marriages today are not based off of love.

The faith I want so badly to keep in people, that maybe we still do have the capability to care for one another just because we are fellow human beings, is dwindling. The fact that there was even a debate on this sort of issue horrifies me.

"When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men, and a discharge for loving one." - Leonard Matlovich, United States Vietnam War veteran.

Racism is despicable... and I'm not sure him being elected has done much about it. But it proves that we've made SOME progress at least. Blacks have run for president before, and racism probably was a big hurdle. We elected a black to represent us. So whether he helped stop racism or not, the fact that he is now president elect means we HAVE progressed.

I'm not even going to touch the whole gay marriage thing, I've got mixed feelings about it.

I must say that I didn't have much to do with the Presidential Elections. I knew that this was a definate turning point for America as a Union because of all of our previous racial problems.

But just as we seem to have gotten over our greatest prejudice, it seems like California had to dunk us (at least me) with a nasty decision of Prop 8... Anybody who would say yes to this kind of Proposition may not now, nor ever call him or herself unprejudiced. Because this is just as bad, if not worse than racism.

Gay marriage has absolutely NO affect on our rituals. It does not affect us in ANY way... So why do so many people care so much about this issue that doesn't even concern them?

They are alienating the gay population from the rituals that resonate in our present society. And why? There's no good reason why. It's none of their business... our business to decide whether or not gay couples have the right to officiate their relationship.

It is just plain idiocy and stupidity, and it makes me absolutely disgusted with our nation as a whole.

☼Boatdock☼

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I am not gay, but I am a definate supporter

We may have elected a black president, but racism is also far from dead. In my opinion, the idea that "birthers" propogate that Obama is not American has its roots in racism. He gave his birth certificate over in 2008, well before he swore his oath, but that didn't satisfy the "birthers" or the media. They don't even talk about that anymore, and in fact imply that he never gave over his bc in the first place. The whole argument has the undertones that an African-American has no right to live in America, does not belong here, and does not deserve to be president. Obama is a great man, and an American; end of story.

As far as Prop 8 goes, thank you to Judge Walker for overturning the proposition, though Prop 8 is still in effect. Hopefully, this disgrace of law will be eradicated as quickly as possible, though they say it might likely take years.

Dan Savage of "Savage Love" once responded to a woman who whined about how her husband didn't pay enough attention to her so she cheated on him with an ex-lover. When her husband found out about it, he blamed himself and promised he would do whatever it took to become a better husband, but she was now in love with her ex. She also mentioned she cheated on another man, her ex-husband, with her current husband, and she had children from both marriages. Her question was, "What should I do?" Dan Savage's response was basically, "Why do you get to marry and I, who would be devoted to my husband, don't?" (That's the clean version)

Cogito, I liked what you said: "What harm does same-sex marriage threaten on traditional marriage?" If I may add, what harm does any homosexual behavior have on me, a heterosexual? Really, how is deep, mutual love between two adults in any way bad?

I'm also not gay, but a firm supporter of equal rights. Black or white, man or woman, straight or gay.

As my mother always says, "People should just be nice."

We may have elected a black president, but racism is also far from dead. In my opinion, the idea that "birthers" propogate that Obama is not American has its roots in racism. He gave his birth certificate over in 2008, well before he swore his oath, but that didn't satisfy the "birthers" or the media. They don't even talk about that anymore, and in fact imply that he never gave over his bc in the first place. The whole argument has the undertones that an African-American has no right to live in America, does not belong here, and does not deserve to be president. Obama is a great man, and an American; end of story.

As far as Prop 8 goes, thank you to Judge Walker for overturning the proposition, though Prop 8 is still in effect. Hopefully, this disgrace of law will be eradicated as quickly as possible, though they say it might likely take years.

Dan Savage of "Savage Love" once responded to a woman who whined about how her husband didn't pay enough attention to her so she cheated on him with an ex-lover. When her husband found out about it, he blamed himself and promised he would do whatever it took to become a better husband, but she was now in love with her ex. She also mentioned she cheated on another man, her ex-husband, with her current husband, and she had children from both marriages. Her question was, "What should I do?" Dan Savage's response was basically, "Why do you get to marry and I, who would be devoted to my husband, don't?" (That's the clean version)

Cogito, I liked what you said: "What harm does same-sex marriage threaten on traditional marriage?" If I may add, what harm does any homosexual behavior have on me, a heterosexual? Really, how is deep, mutual love between two adults in any way bad?

I'm also not gay, but a firm supporter of equal rights. Black or white, man or woman, straight or gay.

As my mother always says, "People should just be nice."

Well, I can understand why some Bible people take umbrage with living under a government that might legitimize same-sex marriage. After all, their holy book condemns it. So does the Muslim holy book. So I don't really feel puzzled by that reaction at all. It's perfectly understandable.

They exist in my world and yet I am not allowed to exist in theirs. Spoiled rotten minds in decaying flesh.