Race, take it or leave it.

By Delise · Sep 5, 2014 · ·
  1. This whole thread reminded me of when I was 6 years old and I didn't see the difference in people. I didn't see race or even notice that skin color meant 'race'. I grew up with friends from China, the Philippines, Black Americans, White Americans, Mexican-Americans.

    Then one day, I was told for the first time that I was "black" and I had to figure out what that meant. I had to learn my culture and embrace it. I had to be it and fight for it. I turned into an angry black person. I thought everyone hated blacks. My mother and the culture I was in had successfully passed down its PTSD to me.
    I was paranoid, afraid and stuck to my 'own' kind.

    Then at 15 I moved to a new city and all the blacks there saw me as more "white" than black. I was excluded in some cultural things within the new neighborhood. I've even had my own mother use the race card on me. "You'll never understand what it means to be black, really black." I've had my grandfather curse me out. Calling me a "half-white motherfucker." In my life blacks brought up race with me more than whites did. I grew up hating that I was half-white. I felt dirty and ugly. On the flip side I also hated that I was black because it was after all the reason that other people thought I was unattractive also. At least that is what I was raised to believe.


    Then I move to Japan and suddenly I'm (me). Then randomly depending on the gender they think I am, I'm Beyonce or Micheal Jackson. Because we all look a like right?
    Depending on my clothes and make-up I look like the Crow to some people. But many people didn't even see me as black they just saw me as American. The whole race issues stopped being an issue at all. I saw people in Japan who were almost twice as dark as I am. I saw Japanese people with natural afros. I know a guy who seriously looks like Jimi Hendrix. It was like everything I had been raised to say was only for blacks was thrown out the window. People are stuck in the same world day in and day out and don't realize that humans are humans. We just create these stupid ideals but in reality it doesn't mean it's the best or the only option for you.


    I've stopped trying to prove myself as anything because it was too much of a mind-fuck gone wrong to do so.

    In the end I'm me. The sad problem that people have is when they try to fit themselves into being a race or a culture in the first place. I tried as hard as I could to be "black" but in reality that was something that was created by people who felt that something was missing in their own lives. They felt that their culture was being erased and controlled. In a desperate and some what violent attempt to re-claim who they felt they should be they forced themselves into living up to ideals that in reality don't apply. For example in some communities you're not black if you don't like hip-hop. Well does that mean my mother who is 60 isn't black because she listened to the Beatles in the 1960's, or my grandfather who is 90 and listens to fucking swing music like Count Basie, isn't black?
    It's ridiculous and stupid standards to place on somebody.

    To be human is to have an imagination and create who you want to be.

    I look at the American black culture of the 1920's and 30's and think my god,Where did all the artists go? The dancers and free spirits? When did religion and the need to be BLACK come in and destroy our individuality as people in America? Telling us what to listen to, whom to love, what to wear, what to eat, how to dance etc. It's oppressive shit.

    Anyway...

    Writing about people though does take time, a lot of self reflection into your own personality and research. Who do you want your character to be? How do you want people to see and perceive that person in your story? Do they live in a racist environment where race is important or in a place where no one gives two shits?
    Are people all about love and peace or is about war and oppression?

    Is it religiously stifling or full of people who could cares less about those things?

    I think that it really changes how a person will perceive their own skin color and the color of others. I never thought about being a skin color until I was told to care about it. Then I was told to be ashamed of it. Then I was told to hate other people for their individuality. In retro-spec, I see it as jealously and ignorance. People dislike themselves so much they need to vent their anger on the world around them.
    They need to blame somebody for their own unhappiness. In reality it's just their own choices in life and frame of mind that keeps them under lock and key.

    People complain that there isn't enough minorities being portrayed in stories. Some authors complain that they don't include certain races because they don't want to do an injustice to that certain group of people. All I can say is, if you don't like something, don't read it or watch it. If you think it could be better, then make something with your own fucking hands. Then complain to the networks and tell them to show your shit instead.

    In the end all I can do is read about or talk to the people whom I want to write about. Sadly if it's about a culture I was not raised in or a time period in which I have no one to talk to about, it does get really difficult. I think that's when fantasy comes in handy as a genre.

    If people don't like what you write then that isn't your problem. You can't please everyone. Trying to please everyone will just set you up for failure.

    Remembering that is the hard part though...

Comments

  1. KaTrian
    Great post! It's sad when one has to make a choice whether they want to be part of a group and accept the possibly stringent and unyielding club membership requirements, like a certain dress code, taste in music, or ideology in order to belong. People are strange pack animals, it's just that only a number of people get to be in the given pack, and they gotta meet the requirements first.

    A sense of uniformity and unity make people feel secure. It simplifies things. You don't have to think, or even really make decisions, you can just swim along with the others while being different and apart can make you vulnerable. Whether you were a neo-nazi or a goth, or a representative of a specific race -- we've all got our packs. Changing that pack, or being on your own, is sometimes surprisingly difficult, but I'm glad to hear you've found a home in Japan. I keep hearing good things about that country.
  2. jannert
    I think everything you say makes perfect sense to me. But you've left out one element that writers sometimes need to deal with. How do you view writers who ignore or gloss over difficulties that people can or have experienced because of racial discrimination? Saying that everybody is 'the same' kind of ignores this situation—especially when dealing with racism in a historical sense. Slavery and its aftermath. The treatment of Chinese workers in the Old West. Discrimination against Irish immigrants in Victorian USA. The treatment of native populations during the European settlement of the New World and Australia/New Zealand. Doesn't it? Or does it? I know I'm guilty of pussyfooting around this issue because I'm not sure how to portray it. I don't want to over-emphasise it, but ignoring it seems callous, or so overly PC that it kind of reverses the emphasis.
  3. Delise
    @KaTrian
    I came from under my rock...
    Learning about the underbelly of another society is extremely exciting for me. I think the diversity of culture in America gave me a lot of knowledge and insight into somethings. Being in Japan has made me realize that people don't know what they really have or don't have until they go some place new. Being around new people too helps you to realize that you can change who you are as a person. There's a lot of depressed people in Japan because of how hard people work and they give their lives to a company that doesn't really give a shit about them. Recently about 30,000 people commit suicide every year in Japan. At least according to a news paper I read, but most people don't talk about that subject in daily life.
    Japanese people think America is totally free and liberal and amazing mostly because all they know about America is from a censored education and movies and T.V.. If the only source of info on America I had was from Hollywood I would probably think the same fucking thing. Compared to some other countries though America does allow for more freedom. People are still dying, they just kill each other rather than themselves. No one wants to go to Hell after all for committing suicide, right? If you kill 60 people and rape 100 you can always ask Jesus to forgive you though, only if you really really mean it.

    The group/ pack thing can be dangerous for self-growth though. I like helping others and doing things for my community but I don't need to live by anyone elses standards of life but my own. I wish more people could respect that for each other.
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  4. Delise
    @jannert

    I was thinking about that a lot. I know a lot of people who just cannot phatom what I'm talking about.
    For one my mother made it a point to have me watch movies and documentaries on slavery at a very young age. I honestly think I was too yooung for a lot of the graphic shit that I saw. I saw a lot of lynched naked bodies and whatever that I think made me overly morbid. At any rate I guess it's a hard topic to bring to light because of the fact that a lot of people get really upset. I can talk about this discussion with black people in my community and I am seen as a valid person for input on the disphoria of blacks. Sadly, once I leave that setting and go to another area I get a lot of hostility. My skin color automatically makes it so that I coould never understand what it feels like. What the bitch about the problem is none of us knows what slavery really feels like.
    My mother descriminates against other people constantly. She talks trash about Mexicans and Asians but the moment I point that out she turns herself into this victim and cries saying she isn'T racist and she's beein treated like shit because she grew up in the 50's and knows what it feels like to be treated like a dog.
    What she lived through I will never understand but I know a hypocrite when I see one. I know when victim turns around and abuses someone else and justifies it because they were abused.
    That's why many writers I know struggle to write something without being called racists.
    You didn't throw in enough black people or this or that. Or they bitch about how they doesn't seem like an authentic black person when their ignorant butts have never left their small town or community.
    Jamaicans don't act like most American black men I know. Nigerians and a lot of other Africans don't act like people I know from the Southside in Chicago. So what the problem is, is that people who are so tired and negative because of the abuse they've lived through and continue to live through whether it be at home or from police or at school or whatever complain and say that it's excluding them. they see everything as being that way. Anything you have to say on the matter is automatically ignored. You will forever be the reason for why their life is shit. A lot of families need counseling. A lot of children need to be given positive inspirations. The problem does persist that the system doesn't care about you if you are poor and a minority. The police do target minorities, so when that is your daily life I guess it's hard to see anything but that. People are bitter and angry for a reason but taking it out on others doesn't make sense. Taking it out on people who write books or make movies makes little sense when the education system is what is fucking their kids over and the police still enforcing violence and fear into the people.
    Still I think a good writer does a character justice by delving deep into that character psyche and creating a person that people can still some how relate to regardless of race or country. In the end we are still basically the same. We want to live and love and be happy and find the soul-mate to share life with. We want our parents to love us and care about us and when they don't we think the world doesn't either. We want to express ourselves and when we can't figure out a positive way to do that we find negative self-destructing ways...

    I don't believe in PC shit. As long as you're not promoting genocide or promoting slavery of anyone or living thing or conscious thing... Then why does it really matter? People bitch about shit but don't do anything positive to change the situation. Anyone who only brings people down but doesn't do anything to better themselves or the people around them shouldn't be humored. They should be offered counseling services.
    I am thinking of my own family and my mother when I say all this, so excuse my emotions.
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  5. jannert
    Thanks for your response. I can appreciate that racism exists in lots of different forms, actually. And I suppose being nervous about tackling it when writing a story might be a form of it. It recognises 'otherness' when it comes to skin colour or national origin.

    One of the problems I encountered when writing my novel, which is set in Montana in 1886, is how to deal with certain kinds of racist issues. Obviously there is the appalling treatment of the Blackfeet, the Crow, the Salish, etc, who lived near and around to where my other characters lived. Although they don't enter directly into my story, I did allude to their situation—and some of their story will figure in a subsequent novel I have planned. However, I did not allude to the situation of the Chinese folks who built the railroad (under duress) and who figured quite prominently in towns and cities at that time—and were usually treated with the most horrific contempt and abuse. I thought about including Chinese characters in my story, then backed off. I may tackle these issues in subsequent books, but I feel nervous about assuming anything much about their lives, or just adding to the crap that has already been written about them.

    I also felt, from a writer's point of view, that making too big a deal about their situation would simply feel tacked-on to my story, as it wasn't central to my story at all, and be inverted racism.

    I think your point about no matter what anybody writes, somebody is going to take issue with it, is spot-on. But I guess I am unhappy that people might think I wasn't aware of these issues, or worse yet, felt contempt for what these people went through at the hands of my main characters, whose origins were much different.

    Not an easy topic, really. You're damned if you deal with it, and damned if you don't.
  6. T.Trian
    @Delise, what a fantastic post! A lot of the things you said rung true over here, not the least because a lot of those issues you discussed don't only apply to racial issues but just about every social situation revolving around groups of people, to a degree anyway.
    But the parts regarding races, racism etc. sounded familiar because they've been a part of my life since childhood. You wouldn't believe it by looking at that white priveleged guy in the avatar, eh? :D

    My dad has lived with racism for decades; being a Slavic immigrant in 1970s and 80s Finland, one of the world's most racist and anti-Russia (in practice that means anti-Slavic) countries, hasn't been an easy ride. I was born here and even I've gotten tons of shit for my Bulgarian heritage and surname. Well, used to until I got sick of that (and other bullying) and became a bully myself for a while. I did a lot of stupid things during those years, but despite all the things I regret, it gave me the confidence that removed the "victim" tag from my forehead and I haven't had many problems since, and what little I've had, I've been able to handle without putting fists to mouths thanks to how people respond to external confidence (i.e. acting).

    The thing is, while my dad has grown a bit paranoid about people, thinking everything that goes wrong is somehow related to racial discrimination (he isn't nearly always wrong, though), I kinda understand that because the racist treatment was pretty heavy for over two decades and it'll never stop completely because he doesn't sound like a native when he speaks whereas I do. That shit leaves its mark on people. Even I'm touchy about my surname and Bulgarian heritage (e.g. reacting a bit aggressively to jokes related to them) and I had it easy, so I can only imagine what my dad went through since he only showed the tip of the ice berg to his family.

    Here's a pretty gross example I do know about: no other music teacher in the two music schools he's taught in for almost 30 years has worked so long without being granted a permanent position/office. All Finnish teachers get one, usually after working there a few years. And my dad was one of their best, consistently getting high, often the highest ratings from his students (unlike most other teachers) and he's the only one who's had three students who've become famous rock stars (two of them known internationally, the third is famous mostly "only" across Finland). No other teacher in either school can claim that either. Yet, no permanent office.

    In any case, when I read your words, I got the feeling you too don't shrink from difficult subjects (well, I actually know you don't ;)). You tackle them head-on, and I firmly believe in that approach. When I come up with a "non-standard" character, I don't see them as obstacles, things to avoid. I see them like tricky walls in parkour, challenges meant to be conquered; I just need to find a way to get to the other side of that wall. I need to figure out whether I should climb, go under, around, or smash right through to the other side, but it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how.
    All it takes is effort, usually a lot, which I find incredibly exhilarating; all that work ahead of me... that means I'll never run out of things to do! Fun things, exciting things, things to learn from, things that make life worthwhile. It's an amazing feeling that I want to feel for the rest of my life. Seeing as how people in general are pretty stupid, myself especially included, I wager I have nothing to worry.

    Btw, expect a continuation to our discussion about past lives; I got an idea today, but I wager it'll take a moment to put it all into words. :cool: In the meantime, keep writing; you got a knack with words.
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