In Anderson Coopers podcast they said that clip is so embarrassing that it is hardly staged. Probably one of the reasons why he wanted to remain nameless.
According to the attorney it is an ap that lets you record audio to send, like in an instagram (though I'm not sure she said instagram). He was adding audio to a visual of some kind. I don't know if seeing the image would make it any less odd. But you do have to admit it makes the chance of it being faked next to zero. The 'Wilson was justified no matter what' crowd are saying maybe the recording is of the shots fired ~2 hours later as the crowd around the body started getting rowdy. I would think the lawyer checked that the recording was about noon, not 2 PM but we'll see.
I'm assuming that when/if Wilson is arraigned, it will be on manslaughter charges because murder involves malicious, purposeful intent? Would it take it to a more serious degree or charge if he fired until suspect was dead or fired, assessed situation, and fired again?
I hope they don't charge him with murder. Manslaughter, excessive use of force or however that is defined when a cop gets mad and shoots when it wasn't called for is what I see here. Now if by some miracle the evidence does show it was justified, I would accept it. The problem is going to be though, if the jury just takes Wilson's word for it in spite of contradictory evidence.
If he shoots because he thinks he's in danger it's manslaughter. When he stops to assess the situation and shoots again it's murder.
I mean this sincerely Lea, without any judgment - just asking. How is it that you have come to believe that the FBI's analysis or confirmation can be trusted? For me, anything that comes out of any law enforcement agency when a fellow law enforcement officer is being threatened (in this case with legal action) seems to me to be an incredible conflict of interest. For you, it appears not so much. I'm not saying that I'm right - but what is it that causes you to believe that their confirmation will be trustworthy?
Yes, but the jury rejected a murder conviction in the Trayvon Martin case and I can't help wondering if Zimmerman would have been convicted if the prosecutor hadn't been as aggressive. Juries are funny beasts.
We have to hope the FBI is investigating the Ferguson police because that's all we the people got. But as for the audio recording, I have no doubt the lawyer involved fully vetted the recording before moving forward to get it to the FBI.
Well, unless his assessment is that he's still in mortal danger. There's also room here for the idea of self-defense.
There's room, but it's going to be a shame if, like with George Zimmerman, all sorts of evidence makes it clear he is lying and the jury still gives him the benefit of much more than reasonable doubt.
Here is something just because I know @GingerCoffee will love it. An unarmed white man was shot and killed by a black police officer in Utah yet it is hardly receiving any media attention. In the article about it, Rush Limbaugh was asked why he thought that was. http://theweek.com/article/index/267088/speedreads-why-isnt-the-media-covering-the-killing-of-an-unarmed-white-youth-by-a-black-police-officer
Definitely. Not only was there probably jury racism in believing the police could be framing OJ, but there was also the tap-dancing Johnny Cochrane convincing lay people that DNA science is seriously fallible.
It's no surprise the right wingers like Limbaugh would scour the country looking for cases to support a tu quoque fallacy. That doesn't look like the best case to use, but that's beside the point. The biggest difference is there is no community outrage because there probably isn't a majority of black police that are antagonistic toward a white population. When a community riots over police brutality against whites you can bet the media will cover it. Not surprised Rush doesn't get that part. On the other hand, the feds did find the Albuquerque, NM, police used force unconstitutionally after they killed dozens of people including one unarmed homeless man that got on the ground like they asked him too and they still shot him dead. Some of these injustices do get media attention. Of course it's not that the media has no biases. They cover missing white girls and kids more often than missing kids of darker skin color. And when they covered a missing black kid after receiving criticism it didn't last long before the media fell back on old habits.
What Ginger said. lol At this point, the FBI is all we have. I have to hope that they'll do their job. I'm not a big fan of the government, but I can't go around assuming that everyone and every government body is corrupt. I think what happened in Ferguson was a tragic event caused by one man that the department isn't handling well. But I don't believe the entire police station is corrupt because of the one officer.
Actually, it does look like a fair number of police in St Louis County are quite racist. I wouldn't equate that to corruption, but it is a problem that is much wider than one officer. So far, one of them aimed an assault rifle at the crowd and said he would kill you 'm-ffers', (spoken word not abbreviated and used more than once). Other officers had to stop him, calm him down and he was eventually suspended. Another put fake pictures up on his FaceBook page of Brown with drugs, money and a gun in the photoshopped image. He was suspended. But the real revelation was with Wilson's first job before this one: Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities
You want to know what it's like to be a black guy in Ferguson? Watch this mentally disturbed man get killed by the cops. Watch the first 3 minutes, it's disturbing but people really should see it: http://www.newsweek.com/new-video-police-shooting-2nd-man-st-louis-emerges-266041
OK, it's cracked.com, so it's irreverent (and funny), but I think it's a not-bad summary (with lots of links) of the Ferguson situation: http://www.cracked.com/blog/7-wacky-farts-that-can-help-us-understand-ferguson-mo/ You can ignore the fart videos.
It's very anti-cop, which mirrors my own feeling on the subject, but it's unusual for Cracked to take a side.
From the mentally disturbed man shooting, here's the terminology when a cop shoots and kills a person: man dies in officer-involved shooting. Cops don't shoot, they just get involved.
I think we should just get rid of all the laws and law enforcement and let people take care of their own business and fend for themselves.
It's worthwhile, @Lewdog, to keep the police in line, just as it's worthwhile for the public to be kept in line by police. Looking at a lot of what is going on in St Louis, I'd say those cops need a little bit of realignment.
