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How to punctuate letters that don't belong with words
Here's my example,
"There are no i's in team" Should the "I" be capitalized or put in quotations; is the apostrophe followed by the "s" correct - and so forth? |
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I'm not sure if I've ever seen any rules, but I can show you how I'd write that sentence.
There is no "i" in team. Don't know if that's correct. I do know that the way you used i's is denoting possession (or a contraction) instead of quantity.
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You never follow a number or letter without an apostrophe before the 'S'.
I think it would be: "There are no Is in team!" maybe make 'Is' italic? |
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Garmer's seems the most painless option: There is no "i" in team.
Apostrophes are indeed possessive markers, not plural markers, but they are grudgingly permitted in some formations that would be all but unintelligible otherwise, to wit: Mind your p's and q's. And this case would certainly qualify.
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Hi, i'm new so hope you wouldn't mind me posting.
i's can only be written when you mean a number of the letter "i", eg. illiterate has two i's. But since that is closely the case, "There are no i's in team" (if you mean more than one "i") or, better yet, "There is no i in team" (i quoted, italicized or left alone) would suffice. Then again, humans are prone to making mistakes... |
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So: "There are no I's in team (if that's clear enough in context)." Or "There are no I's in team" (if the emphasis helps clearify meaning). I finished grading the papers and gave out four A's, 2 B's, 3 C's, five D's, and no F's. It would not be incorrect to omit the apostrophes in the previous sentence. But if there's any confusion (like out of context, in a sentence like this--Joan showed me her As)--an apostrophe would be helpful (and perfectly acceptable--see Oxford Dictionary of American Usage and Style, among other style books).
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Molly Last edited by ManhattanMss; 11-23-2009 at 05:24 AM.. |
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The way to write it: There are no I's in team.
When you're referring to a letter, it's in quotes: I saw the letter "a" in the newspaper. When you're referring to a word, it's in quotes: The word "apocryphal" comes to mind. Similar to the "I" question, when you write of a year, it's with an apostraphe: It was during the 1920's. Three E's and an F walk into a bar. They bump into a G who's reading about a bunch of P's in the news. E looks him over and decides him to be out of date, circa 1930, or some sort of roughian left over from the 1920's. You know, the gangsters who smuggled liquor. "Slippery" is the word that comes to mind. So, E, he goes over to G and says to him, "What's that tommy gun doing on the barstool?" And that was it: G picks up the tommy gun and makes alphabet soup of the whole place. The only thing left was the newspaper, with a bullet hole in every "q." Last edited by tbeverley; 11-23-2009 at 05:49 AM.. |
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With respect to dates, it's really a matter of style and there are preferences that vary a bit and are accepted differently by various publishers. Some--maybe even most today (AMA and CMoS, e.g.)--prefer to omit the apostrophe before the plural "s"--i.e., 1920s (just like you can either use or omit apostrophes in acronyms, like CPAs, if it doesn't confuse things). Newspapers use different style books and maybe they prefer the apostrophe. I think part of the reason for omitting the apostrophe in dates (especially in scholarly writing and some fiction publishers) is to avoid cluttering up the type with unnecessary apostrophes, because when you shorten up 1920's to just "twenties," e.g., (omitting the "19" part), the technically correct way to do that in numerals is to show the omission of "19" with an apostrophe--so '20s is a cleaner and less confusing type style than '20's. In a manuscript, I wouldn't worry about it much other than for the sake of consistency. But if a writer needs to know for some reason, check the style manual your publisher (or school or professor) uses.
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Molly Last edited by ManhattanMss; 11-23-2009 at 07:16 AM.. |
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