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    A different take on cecil

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    It's one thing to kill an animal that is threatening a population, it's another to kill one from a sanctuary. It's one thing to kill an animal out of necessity, it's another to kill one for no reason other than to mount the head on a wall.

    Recreational hunting has its place, but usually that is when the animal is one that at least the meat of gets eaten, and the hunting does the remaining population good rather than contributing to the animals' extinction.
     
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    I don't care to join in any discussion here, I find the idea of hunting for pure sport simply revolting. But I thought everyone would enjoy this picture:

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    Well I'm glad they pointed that out. There was definitely some ambiguity.
     
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    I agree. It's interesting the writer seemed to have forgotten that little detail. Cecil was lured from a reservation, then shot. That lion was no threat to anyone, it wasn't like it was seconds away from mauling someone to death. It wasn't like the hunter saw a lion lumbering around a nearby village and opened fire.

    Though to be fair to the writer, he/she did say that when a lion that's terrorizing a village is killed, they don't care if it were a legal or illegal killing, or who pulled the trigger, they're just glad the source of their nightmare is gone.
     
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    The duality of lions.

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    To quote the Honest Trailer people of The Lion King:

    He's a threat to our liiiiiiives/
    He will eat us aaaaaall/
    He is on displaaaaay/
    To remind us we're preeeeeeey!!!
     
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    I wonder if most aren't missing the author's main point:

    "And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.

    We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people."

    It may be a sense that people are more responsible for their own misfortunes than are animals.
     
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    Let's not forget there is divine guidance on this:

    "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." - Genesis 1:26

    "Now then, please take your gear, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me;" Genesis 27:3

    "Then spaketh the Lord on High, saying 'Lurest thou a lion from his preserve so that thou might shoot him with thy bow.'" Genesis 51:7
     
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    I didn't miss the point. And I don't agree the author represents all of Zimbabwe nor do I agree the fact that their culture meant a baby elephant could be slaughtered should affect my opinion. There are plenty of people here in the US that don't see what the fuss is either.

    Bears, sharks, and mountain lions kill people too. It doesn't mean everyone who lives with these animals naturally hates them or sees them as creatures that need to be killed. Nor does the fact some people prefer to kill wild predators mean we shouldn't have our own POVs that the remaining large predators need to be preserved.

    As for caring about the animals and not the people, a lot of conservation movements in Africa have concentrated on educating the population how the wildlife can be a valuable resource to them without killing and poaching. I'd bet the people who took the dentist's 50K for the hunt were not impoverished nor would the money find its way into the hands of anyone who was. Whereas the money from the national park likely helps more people than concentrating the money in the hands of some corrupt hunting guides.

    Bushmeat hunting and poaching pose a serious threat to many of the world's remaining endangered species. That local populations also need significant help to solve the problem doesn't mean one need accept poaching and bushmeat hunting because the people doing it are impoverished or don't have any regard for wildlife. It means we can't necessarily hold their culture and circumstances against them, and they need to be helped along with encouraging them to see the value in conservation as well.
     
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    I was thinking of posting this last night. That guy is great and totally right.

    Animals are not our friends ';..,;'

    Although I wish they were.... :(
     
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    My dogs beg to differ. ;)
     
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    The world would be a better place if sharks were extinct.
     
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    I think @123456789 meant wild animals. That grizzly bear doesn't want to go do a three-minute long song and dance number about the bare necessities of life with you through the forest. :p

    But seriously, the author has a point. Wild animals are wild. Not that I'm saying it makes it OK to lure one of them from a reservation and kill them, it's that they're wild. Cecil wasn't Simba. He was more like Scar, except without the booming Be Prepared number, freaky green lights, Nazi!Hyenas and plots to take over the Pridelands. :p
     
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    I don't know, the more I find out about people the more I like sharks. :p
     
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    As I understand it, sharks are more afraid of people than people are of it. Very rarely do sharks venture out to eat people.
     
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    OMG YOU ARE BEING OFFENSIVE AGAIN!

    #surferlivesmatter
     
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    Check out NC.
     
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    NC? Nostalgia Critic? What, he reviewed Jaws at one point? Huh, I'll have to check that out...

    *beat*

    OH! You mean North Carolina, didn't you? Right, right. Sorry. :p
     
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    Heathens, the lot of you.
     
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    What would the ocean look like without sharks?
    Now mosquitos, those I could do without. :p
     
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    Dog friends was a joke. You're wrong though, to think everyone that wants to see large predators not go extinct thinks of them as cuddly buddies.
     
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    ...and killer whales.
     
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    First time I snorkeled around sharks it was on the John Pennekamp Reef. The reef sharks were disconcerting at first, then it was obvious they weren't dangerous. The barracuda on the other hand, :eek:, those you swam clear of. They were very big, held still in the water, and audibly snapped their jaws. The ironic thing was I did get bitten, by this itty bitty clown fish. Aggressive little buggers.
     
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    Oh hell no, Orcas are incredible.
     
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