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    mrieder79 Probably not a ground squirrel Contributor

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    Am I misusing this colon?

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by mrieder79, Feb 18, 2017.

    The bone-rasp sound drilled into Chuck's head: insistent and hungry.

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    I'm concerned that the sequence may be misleading. I want to say the bone-rasp sound was insistent and hungry, but I am concerned that some readers may think I am describing Chuck's head as insistent and hungry.

    Was the correct meaning clear to you upon first reading? Am I misusing this colon?
     
  2. Bill Chester

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    Maybe I'm misremembering, but I think a colon is used to introduce a list or it can be used in a complicated sentence where it is superior to a semicolon, for example, at the start of a series of phases that include semicolons and commas.

    A comma would be okay in your sentence. It's unlikely that a reader would think Chuck's head is insistent and hungry.
     
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  3. DueNorth

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    Agree that a simple comma is more appropriate.
     
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    Tenderiser Not a man or BayView

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    I got the correct meaning, but I agree a comma would be better. :)
     
  5. Homer Potvin

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    Colons and semi-colons are marks of the devil...
     
  6. minstrel

    minstrel Leader of the Insquirrelgency Supporter Contributor

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    I love them. They grant new dimensions to prose. I've noticed that those who oppose colons and semi-colons are usually people who don't know how to use them. In any case, they never seem to have sound reasons for disliking them.
     
  7. Homer Potvin

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    My gripe is they're ugly as sin, though colons do have a certain functionality.
     
  8. BayView

    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    How can they be ugly? Do you mean, like, actually graphically unattractive, or is it sort of a "they have ugly souls" ugliness?
     
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    They're not ugly. They're beautiful. What's more is that they help make the whole sentence beautiful. Not using them is like cooking without onions.
     
  10. mrieder79

    mrieder79 Probably not a ground squirrel Contributor

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    Homer's right. Go into the woods, find some ritually sacrificed animals, and they'll be covered with colons and semicolons. Freakin' weird, man.
     
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    That was beautiful!
     
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    I think your use is correct; it announces a noun phrase. I also think it's a good sentence.
     
  13. BayView

    BayView Huh. Interesting. Contributor

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    Are you counting "insistent" and "hungry" as nouns?
     
  14. ChickenFreak

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    Comma.

    And semicolons are a wonderful thing.
     
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    Haha... I think we can all agree that onions are awesome and necessary for the base of many soups and sauces...
     
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    Ahem. Pardon me while I gouge out my eyeballs.
     
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    Heh.

    Looking at the Vonnegut sentence from the article:

    Kroner’s belief [was] that nothing of value changed; that what was once true is always true; that truths were few and simple; and that a man needed no knowledge beyond these truths to deal wisely and justly with any problem whatsoever.

    Do others agree that the semicolons are actually incorrect here?
     
  19. Bill Chester

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    Yes, I was expecting a phrase or a clause (I don't know what they're called--phrases or clauses) with a comma in between the semicolons.
     
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    I agree that a comma would do it, but personally i'd restructure the sentence

    "the insistent, hungry, sound of the bone rasp drilled into Chuck's head"
     
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    Or:

    "The sound of the bone rasp, insistent and hungry, drilled into Chuck's head."



    I also believe the example ChickenFreak gave called attention to is wrong—I'm not positive the technical reason, but I feel instinctively that semicolons shouldn't be used like that, only when there are phrases or clauses or generally other comma uses within each section

    But I very well might be mistaken
     
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    I believe the "that" in each sentence is what renders the semicolons unnecessary in this example. Because "that" works as a conjunction, commas would be appropriate.

    "That" removed, the semicolon would be necessary to connect the clauses otherwise it would be a series of comma splices.
     
  23. DueNorth

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    Y'all have a lot of free time, insistent, hungry; or perhaps persistent, satiated.
     
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    As the others have said, the colon is misused, and one must never misuse one's colon: One never knows what crap may emerge.

    The example sentence could be rewritten to take a colon, like this, perhaps:

    The sound drilling into Chuck's head was like a bone-rasp: insistent, hungry, without mercy.

    In fact, my gut feeling tells me the "and" is the biggest reason the example should have a comma instead.
     
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  25. mrieder79

    mrieder79 Probably not a ground squirrel Contributor

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    Thanks for the help. This specific example has become academic, as I have the sentence from the manuscript. Still, it is important to use colons properly so I appreciate the imput.
     

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