Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3

    An interesting perspective on Princess Ariel

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by Duchess-Yukine-Suoh, Apr 21, 2014.

    I found this interesting and share-worthy.

    Also, am I the only one who realizes that Ariel wanted to go to the land before she met Eric? He was just the push to get her there.
     
    Andrae Smith likes this.
  2. jazzabel
    Offline

    jazzabel Contributing Member Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2012
    Messages:
    4,273
    Likes Received:
    1,666
    I read analyses like this one before, and I totally agree. When I was little, the actual Little Mermaid by Andersen was one of my favourite fairytales. A lot darker than Disney version, but still retains the themes of a woman striving for independence and her right to explore and take risks, as well as about love and self-sacrifice.
     
    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh likes this.
  3. KaTrian
    Offline

    KaTrian A foolish little beast. Staff Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,564
    Likes Received:
    3,561
    Location:
    The Great Swamp
    The Little Mermaid by H.C. Andersen is my favorite fairy tale of all times. Like jazzabel, maybe I'm morbid, I would've even preferred the version without the semi-happy ending Andersen apparently added later on. But I can understand why some feminists don't like it, but that's their problem. Sure, sometimes I'm sick of women critizing women for sacrificing themselves for men they love, but maybe they haven't been in love then. Their loss.

    I like the Disney version because of Ariel's longing to leave home and explore the world. She does something very scary to achieve her dreams, and I also think she would've done it whether Erik was there or not. The ending is typical Disney cheese, but it doesn't completely mar the story for me. Plus I like the songs.. Especially 'Part of Your World'.. :oops:
     
    jazzabel and Duchess-Yukine-Suoh like this.
  4. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3
  5. MLM
    Offline

    MLM Banned for trolling

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kansas City
    People who grow up to be progressives still had normal childhoods. Often times they don't want to admit that they were ever not as politically advanced as they are now, so they keep reading into Disney stuff to find the secret feminist truth of Cinderella. Just let it go...
     
  6. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3
    Let it go, can't hold it back anymore anymore, let it go, let it go, turn away and slam the door?

    Well, I think that some people have a hard time seeing inner strength. If it's not in their face, it's not there. So, they dismiss characters as "weak" because they don't know what it is.

    Also, why does having a boyfriend negate a girl's accomplishments? I've noticed that from a lot of (progressive!) media reviews. If a girl did something amazing, but also gets the guy, she did nothing. If a guy does that, it counts. Having a girlfriend doesn't negate his accomplishments. Double standard much? And this is from feminists!
     
    KaTrian, Okon, Wyr and 1 other person like this.
  7. MLM
    Offline

    MLM Banned for trolling

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kansas City
    That's unfair, and goes to show that even those trying to do right can backslide. It doesn't make them bad, just human.

    That said, quote mining Disney media and exaggerating its progressism does not make Disney media genuinely progressive. It's fine to continue liking Disney. You can like it for many reasons. Liking this or that one thing doesn't define a person. I like black metal music, but I would never argue that it's a politically progressive thing.
     
    Simpson17866 likes this.
  8. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3
    They're not very progressive, but Id say they still have a lot to teach in other ways. Never give up, don't be afraid to dream, follow your passions, know that there is hope.
     
  9. MLM
    Offline

    MLM Banned for trolling

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Sure, and BM teaches us to worship Satan. You can get good life messages from a lot of things.
     
  10. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3
    *face-palm*
     
    Simpson17866 and Lea`Brooks like this.
  11. KaTrian
    Offline

    KaTrian A foolish little beast. Staff Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,564
    Likes Received:
    3,561
    Location:
    The Great Swamp
    The possible progressiveness of Frozen doesn't really do it for me (maybe 'cause I'm not a kid anymore and I see all new Disney movies through an adult's eyes). The Little Mermaid strayed too far from the original, but it sure had its moments.

    But bookworms who are into abusive beasts, now that's my ultimate Disney trip.

    Are we talking about Mayhem's 'Witching Hour' lyrics here? :D
     
  12. MLM
    Offline

    MLM Banned for trolling

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Was always more of a Darkthrone/Darkthrone clones kinda guy, myself.
     
  13. 123456789
    Offline

    123456789 Contributing Member Contributor

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2012
    Messages:
    6,336
    Likes Received:
    3,084
    What about rich daddy's girls getting conned by street hustlers?
     
  14. KaTrian
    Offline

    KaTrian A foolish little beast. Staff Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,564
    Likes Received:
    3,561
    Location:
    The Great Swamp
    Didn't connect with that so well, and the songs weren't quite as catchy.
     
  15. Duchess-Yukine-Suoh
    Offline

    Duchess-Yukine-Suoh Girl #21 Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    743
    Location:
    Music Room #3
    Which one was this?
     
  16. MLM
    Offline

    MLM Banned for trolling

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Aladdin. Also Anastasia.
     
  17. KaTrian
    Offline

    KaTrian A foolish little beast. Staff Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2013
    Messages:
    5,564
    Likes Received:
    3,561
    Location:
    The Great Swamp
    Anastasia isn't Disney and she wasn't rich at the beginning, though. I was thinking about Aladdin, too. I think that one was mostly criticized of racist representation of the Arabian culture, although Princess Jasmine is of course too thin and an unrealistic representation of a woman's body blah blah. Also, subliminal messages for kids to take their clothes off.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page