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    Angels, demons, and vampires of my...

    Discussion in 'Plot Development' started by CrimsonReaper, Feb 3, 2011.

    Working on the backstory for the demons in my urban fantasy. Looking for thoughts. Too Christiany?

    Demons were once angels, the beloved servants of God. Yes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He Who Is Called I Am. That one. Other gods exist in the story. Why and how you ask? Because I said so. Actually the story most go with is that pantheons of the Old Gods (Norse, Greek, Aztec, etc) began as humans so venerated in life they lived on after death. That or they were just members of the Fae (fairies) screwing with people. Basically pagan gods are super-ghosts that fed off worship/remembrance. It doesn't work that way for God. "He" requires nothing from mortals.

    Carrying on...
    Angels were the only beings in existence allowed to view god in all his glory, as doing so would completely destroy any other being. God is apparently comprised of concetrated awesomeness. Angels themselves can APPEAR as humans with wings, but this is for the good of humans. Their true forms are impossible for the brain of mortals to deal with.

    Then God created man and commanded that all in Heaven bow in reverence of this new creature. Those that would become demons refused. Muslims credit Iblis with this choice, and many Christians speak of Lucifer as leading a rebellion, a "war in Heaven", over this. As many a demon will point out, that is bull****. No demon has ever claimed to be either of these entities, and some claim they never existed. There is an angel called "the Satan" (which means Adversary), but he is just charged with testing men's faith. That is his freaking job.

    Demons claim there was no singular leader of the so-called rebellion. The various "Fallen Ones" simply refused, for various reasons ranging from jealousy to pride to whatever, to do as God commanded. Enraged, God cast them down from Heaven into the Pit. While man was given free will, the angels were meant to serve God's will. It was not their place to refuse the will of God. Which of course begs the question of how the angels could refuse God in the first place, but let's not think about that too hard...

    The Pit is a realm with no substance, supposedly a pocket reality devoid of any connection to God. Hell is not fire and brimstone, it is nothingness. A state of existence with no sensation and no real concept of time (as nothing ever changes). Within the Pit one is essentially a being of pure thought. There the demons would have (from their perspective) eternity to think over their refusal to follow God's will. More than a few probably went insane in there, only to come full circle back to sanity after they bored with craziness.

    Then someone rigged a jail break. The details are a little hazy on this point. Some claim ancient witches somehow breached the Pit and let demons into our world. Which becomes a chicken and the egg argument, as many claim witches got their "natural" gifts from demons. Other believe the demons themselves breached containment. Yet others claim perhaps God, having decided He might have overreacted a tad, let them out. This last one would paint God as something of a dick, though, as he would be letting a group that despise humanity loose on humanity. Then again read your Old Testament. God is not all love and hugs, and he works in mysterious ways.

    Regardless, demons crossed over into the mortal world. And given their origins most are not exactly fond of humans. Most demons can only infect the human mind, becoming the devil on the shoulder or in some cases driving people violently insane. It is said that demons cannot actually be destroyed, only be driven from a host via exorcism or said host's demise. More powerful demons can alter a host, even created "lesser demons" out of humans in a mockery of God's power of creation. This led to the first vampires. Vampires kill victims in this work (they feed on life to sustain their unnatural existence, not blood itself), so they are kind of the demons payback on mankind.
     
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    Demons ARE from Christian mythology. Unless you want to disassociate them entirely and call them something else, they're going to fit in some way with Christian beliefs.
     
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    As Melz said demons are totaly from Christian mithology and in trough literature many people were doing the exact same thing you are doing now,trying to justify God and everything that goes with him in some way.I am not saying that your ideas are bad,they just have been used counteless times. why he overreacted,is he a 16 year old girl :) ?
     
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    Demons were in Judaism first:

    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Issues/Magic_and_the_Supernatural/Practices_and_Beliefs/Supernatural_Beings/Demons.shtml

    Christianity and Islam are both offshoots of Judaism and so that's where they got it from.

    Based on what Jesus is about it makes little sense that he would allow demons to bother people since he's the shepard of humanity, does not believe in punishing living people, and so on. You have to have a god that's okay with punishing people and that's OT or Islam. Unless you just want to go crazy and have whatever god doing whatever you like, it's your call.
     
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    Your story idea seems cool, but if you want it to seem like your own creation, I'd also advocate changing names.
     
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    I don't see any problem with borrowing from Judeochristian mythology... just because you borrow some of the characters and premises it doesn't mean you need to follow the tradition to the letter. Maybe in your fictional universe, the Judeochristian tradition got some things right about angels and demons, and other things wrong.

    Variations on your premise have been done by various writers, like John Milton and Neil Gaiman, but if you feel inspired by it and write it well, it will be good.
     
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    So is it a fanfic of Christianity? This sounds cool I like how you explain vampires in it and it sounds like it would be a great book
     
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    Demons and demon like entities exist in other places then just Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.
     
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    You have built a good 'world' for the story, but I have to admit it is sounding fairly generic. Even the part about vampires being connected with demons was done to death (ha ha) in the latter stages of the Anne Rice novels, leading up to Memnoch the Devil.

    I'm sure there's a lot of opportunities to tell a good story within the cosmology you have described, but the 'world' itself that you describe is becoming fairly routine in fiction. Take the 'His Dark Materials' trilogy, which is basically what you describe minus the vampires, in a YA genre and borrowing heavily from John Milton's epic.

    If you're not committed to writing a christian mythos based story, another way to do it is look at the other religions. Many Hindu gods are a short step from vampires, and there are a lot of pagan myths that bring in vampire-type creatures. You could even say in the story that some of the christian stories are derived from the pagan ones, therefore they hint at the 'reality' of the demon world etc etc
     
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    That made me laugh!
     
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    Yes, and in fact they pre-date all three.
     
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    That's true.

    All of the modern religions evolved out of India and they have a huge and fantastic history that may stretch back to eastern europe.
     

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