1. mammamaia

    mammamaia nit-picker-in-chief Contributor

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    major grip-gotta vent [music-related]

    Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by mammamaia, Sep 26, 2013.

    have you ever heard a favorite song sung by a singer who has totally ignored the notes the songwriter wrote?

    does it make you want to throttle the sinner [not a typo!] and his/her arranger, along with the musicians who would abet the commission of such a dastardly deed, as it does me?

    for the umpteenth time in weeks now, i just heard yet again a major tv commercial that features a woman [i think] mangling 'new york, new york' to the point where only the words bear any resemblance to the original... it's so bad i have to mute the tv whenever it pops up, to keep from decking my beloved new oversized flat screen with the remote...

    what i want to know is:
    1.how can it be legal to do that to a written/copyrighted set of notes;
    2.how can any self-respecting vocal/orchestral artist do such a thing with a clear conscience... and
    3.how can any vocalist with half a brain think their version is better than the classic they've just murdered?

    ok... vent over... but i'm still seething!
     
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  2. jazzabel

    jazzabel Agent Provocateur Contributor

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    I was really upset when I heard Jeff Buckley's version of Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah'. He changed the lyrics to one of the most perfect songs ever written, and it wasn't for the better. I love Jeff Buckley, but that was uncalled for, imo.
     
  3. minstrel

    minstrel Leader of the Insquirrelgency Supporter Contributor

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    I get angry, sometimes, at the same thing. At other times, it doesn't bother me at all. Sometimes the singer just wants to show off his or her dazzling virtuosity, and fills the performance with boatloads of unnecessary notes. I don't usually like that, because it serves the singer and not the song. I cringed when I heard Stevie Wonder massacre Bob Dylan's "Blowin' In The Wind" that way.

    Still, music is the notes you hear, not the "black notes on white paper" you see. Sheet music is really only a simplified visual representation of a much more complex and subtle art. Everyone changes the notes, and often the chords, nearly every time a song is played.
     
  4. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

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    For me it can depend on the intent and treatment of the re-imagining of the song. I remember being very leery about Lauren Hill's cover of Killing Me Softly. I mean, come on, you don't touch Roberta Flack. Joni Mitchell, whose name I say with deep reverence not only as a singer but as a masterful writer of prose, has a tribute album where each song is covered by a different artist. I thought I was going to hate it, but I love it because the different takes on her songs speak of the emotional impact that was felt on the artist singing. I thought it was a truly respectful tribute to a woman of her caliber.
     
  5. thirdwind

    thirdwind Member Contest Administrator Reviewer Contributor

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    It depends on how the artist interprets the music. I think most people believe the original song to be the best interpretation simply because it's usually the first interpretation they hear. In my mind, one interpretation is just as valid as the other, no matter how much the notes are changed.
     
  6. Trish

    Trish Damned if I do and damned if I don't Contributor

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    I'd have to agree on that, entirely.
     
  7. Morgan Willows

    Morgan Willows New Member

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    It's possible that it's because of my asperger's or ocd, but I can't even stand the original artist changing the sound of a song. Once I get used to the way a song sounds, anything else just sounds... wrong.
    For example, I'm a big Kansas fan, I grew up with their music and Masque is probably my favourite album from any band ever of all time, haha (if I was trapped on a desert island and could only take one musical album with me, it would be Masque). There's a song on that album call Icarus (borne on wings of steel) which has been my favourite song since I was about six years old. I heard another version of the same song by the same band on a later album and I can't stand it at all, it's atrocious. On the newer album (I think it was Two For The Show) they used different instruments for parts of it, a lot of the note timing was different, and even the small differences in the way the singers emphasize the lyrics drive me absolutely batshit insane.
    This effect isn't limited to music with me, though, which is why I suspect my ocd may contribute to things. I can't stand people misquoting lines from movies either; I'm quite literally compelled to correct a misquoted line.
     
  8. KaTrian

    KaTrian A foolish little beast. Contributor

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    Well, I think the right thing to do there is, indeed, to mute the TV. We, as consumers, have quite often the choice not to listen to something we don't like. I agree with @We Are Cartographers ; I'd rather the cover represented the vision of the person who covers it rather than repeats the original. Perhaps there's someone who likes the version you hate?

    I might get a little miffed if the cover became more popular than the original and I was the one performing the original, the one who wrote it, but I don't think I'd want to throttle Kurt Cobain if I was David Bowie.
     
  9. MsScribble

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    I was very peeved when someone did a cover of sia's 'I go to sleep' - they actually changed the chorus so it wasn't sung in the way that makes its such a sweet song. I was especially peevish because I BOUGHT the cd, thinking I should support an australian artist.
     

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