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    Baseball Bat Penetration

    Discussion in 'Research' started by Killer300, Sep 4, 2011.

    How many hits from an aluminum baseball bat would it take to kill someone? Assume they are to the skull. Sorry if this question is too specific, but it's VERY important to a story.
     
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    I saw baseball bat penetration and I thought I was going to get raped in this thread.

    Anyway, watch the movie, "Casino." I don't know how accurate it is but at the end they beat Joe Pesci and his brother alive with baseball bats. After beating them for a good while, they were still basically breathing, and they bury them alive. I guess if you think about it, it's not really doing anything but causing internal bleeding and breaking bones, bruising muscles, ect. Probably an extremely painful and torturous way to die.
     
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    This title is so misleading. I was expecting something else entirely.

    As for the aluminum baseball bat? To the head? Probably one hit, depending on how hard it is. If you're going to whack someone with all your strength with an aluminum baseball bat in the head, then they will suffer a brain hemorrhage shortly before dying. So they may not die instantly, but they will die due to severe brain damage.
     
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    Yes I think you're about right there. My dad, who is a doctor, often comments how films 'overdo' the sheer amount of 'battering' any human could, reasonably, take.
     
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    It depends by the strength of the beater, of course. I've never killed anybody with a baseball bat but I assume that if somebody is serious few hits should be sufficient.
     
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    It could be as few as one, depending on the force and location of impact. Subdural hematoma, penetration of a skull shard into the brain, cerebral hemorrhage, severed spinal cord, a broad variett of COD.
     
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    It could be as few as one, depending on the force and location of impact. Subdural hematoma, penetration of a skull shard into the brain, cerebral hemorrhage, severed spinal cord, a broad variety of COD.
     
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    It can take one blow or it can take several. It depends on many factors.

    1. Velocity of the bat
    2. Force of the blow
    3. Musculature of the neck
    4. Sturdiness of the bones
    5. Age, size and health of the target

    A blow that kills a child might might only stun a three-pound muscle- bound man.


    A blow that kills an aged decrepid eighty-five year old might leave a younger one in a coma.

    A midget wielding a bat can't deliver the same force as Kareem Abdul Jabaar.

    An osteoporotic skull will easily cave in.

    A person who has a weakened blood vessel in his brain will die while one with a healthy brain might survive a single blow.



    In any case, if the blow causes brain swelling it will make the the brain try to find a way out through the foramen magnum and that will pressure the medulla oblongatte below it which houses our breathing center. That will lead to death unless the pressure is relieved via providing a way out other than the foramen magnum and that would involve surgery .
     
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    Okay, could a 12 year old deliver the force to kill a 30 year old man? Assume man is your average sexual abuser. Okay, may not be the most helpful thing in the world physical health wise, but still, hope that helps.
     
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    If this twelve year old is powerful, I'd say one hit would do. I think even an average twelve year old can kill a grown man with the proper equipment, namely an aluminum baseball bat. Just in case, though, I'd double tap if I were the kid.
     
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    That's what I was thinking. Movies are all about overdoing it. The other day I was watching some movie with my brother and he commented how the explosion from a rocket launcher would be much smaller than what they showed.
     
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    Thanks guys, it looks like I got the proper amount. (In this case its three hits which is more than needed perhaps but better safe than sorry for the kid, considering the target.)
     
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    I think that if you're having the 12 year old beat this man to death (and I'm assuming it's because he was sexually assaulted) your best bet would be to have the child hit him over and over and over, releasing his anger about what this man did to him

    Then, essentially, you could say that he died 'somewhere along the way', as the child was in a rage and wanted to beat this man until he wasn't recognisable as the scum who had (I assume) raped him.

    Exact time of death isn't necessary, unless the next scene picks up with your quirky coroner, talking about the man being hit for a 'home run'. :p
     
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    12 your girl, but yes. She does beat him to death quite quickly.
     
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    That sounds good. It's not uncommon for people to go overboard with that a bit to be sure or even because they're angry.
     
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    A kid was killed by a base ball bat in my city this summer- http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/26945541/detail.html

    I know a few more details because my friend is a CO and he read the police report. The kid Jerry was in a fight with some guy at a party and another dude ran up on him from behind with the bat and hit him in the back of the head. The kid was limp on the ground after the first hit but the attacker gave him two more hits while he was on the ground, also on the back of his head.

    The kid (I say kid but he was about 18) was in critical condition in the hospital for about a week before he finally died.
     
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    One good hit, i have personaly seen that. Maybe two or three from the twelve year old. However most people that have a real hatred of there target go Medieval on them with the weapon. Never a pretty call to roll up to.
     
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    I have personal experience with a sex offender and if someone gave me a bat and told me to go to town, I would hit him a lot more than 3 times...go for broke I assure you the kid is pissed!
     
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    Get me a few minutes alone with Rupert Murdoch and I'll give you an exact number.
     
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    I think a wooden bat might expedite things, my science behind that is that nonexistent, it just seems right. A broken nose will immediately draw blood, mouth hits will draw blood, and those are both really graphic immediately and could easily disable someone with one blow even from a relatively weak person.

    ---------- Post added at 04:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:53 PM ----------

    And the nose blow could be potentially fatal if it pushed the nose into the brain, I suppose.

    (sorry for double post, edit not working.
     
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    Thanks guys, very helpful. But yeah, the only reason she stops after 3 is because she... has to take care of someone, and even then... only barely.
     
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    Watching girls softball, there are girls that can hit a homerun, and girls that can barely put any power in their swing.

    If your talking hitting a person that is not defending, ie sneak up behind, hit him when he ain't looking...
    A shot to the temple with anyone that can swing a bat comfortably will kill most of the time. A full step into it swing for the fence hit solidly on the skull will crush it, definately. I believe the second weakest point in the skull is the rear base, temple being the first. Even a shot to the mandible(jaw) can cause brain damage. A moderate hit to the face, will blind the man probably long enough for bleeding to drop the man.
    So if your talking a girlie girl who never held a bat, she would need a lot more swings then the average girl that has played softball.
     
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    From my experience playing little league, a grown man could defiantly be killed by a baseball bat. The title is very misleading though, lol
     
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    I think most people have answered your question. Depends on the force of the wielder.
    Personally, a couple years ago, I was jumped with a metal baseball bat. I was hit 7 times in the head over the course of about 4-5 minutes. I recieved 57 stitches. I was able to actually run away from the person, bleeding profusely, get in my car and drive while calling an ambulance. I eventually pulled over because I couldn't see anymore as a result of the blood. Long story short, I ended up having no damage to my skull or neuro-chemistry though the spiderweb contusion looked insane. It was more bad looking then it actually was. And I walked away with a minor concussion. So my point is, I think it depends on the force of the peron giving the blows, and the constitution so to speak of the person recieving them. I should have died. For whatever reason, I did not and ontop only had minor injuries outside of the physical wound.
     
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    you'll have to decide this for yourself, making it fit the needs of your story, because a single well-placed blow could fracture the skull and cause death, or it could take any number of less deadly blows to do the job...

    in other words, there's no one-size-fits-all answer to your not-specific-enough question, killer! ;-)
     
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