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    Can Angels and demons work side by side

    Discussion in 'Setting Development' started by chandler245, Apr 22, 2009.

    i am having that in my book but it don't know it it pausable. Please let me know your oppions
     
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    Traditionally, no.

    That being said, I see no reason why your story has to be traditional. Maybe they have to unite against a common enemy?
     
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    Yup. Read Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.
     
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    It is believed by Christians that Satan is a demon, yet he and his angels go to heaven in the book of job with God's angels. In Zach. 4 or 3, anyway somewhere in that book Satan talks with the Angel of the Lord. So, yes.
     
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    The context matters a lot more than the bottom line in this case. Whether it's believable or not is really dependent on how, precisely, you plan to set that storyline up.
     
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    Yes. The reader is able to temporarily stop turning pages at any time. :cool:
     
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    That's where I've been going wrong all these years. I must be using an old version of the software or something. Tell me, are you using Book 2.0 yet?

    To answer the OP: Yes, if that's what you want to do with the story. It might not be historically accurate, but that doesn't matter. I second the poster who pointed out Good Omens. Have a read of that.
     
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    It's not hard to find examples where villains and "good guys" have to work together if you know where to look. This is a little more extreme, but if you look at how they pulled it off, you might get some ideas on how to make it plausible for you.
     
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    It's your story. YOU get to decide what's plausible or not. Besides, Demons are just fallen angels. -shrugs-
     
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    They do it all the time, only they call themselves politicians. ;)
     
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    You don't know if it's plausible??? Well your profile doesn't say whether you're religious or not but a large amount (I shan't say majority as I don't know your book) will be atheist, agnostic or non-christian. So for them (and Christians who aren't extremists) it will not matter!! I would expand more but I know there are some very sensitive (and paranoid xD) Christians in this forum so ... hey ho.
     
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    if you saw the program demons, mena (a vampire) worked with the good guys (cant remember their names) to fight demons (and other vampires) so in a way yes they can
     
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    Banzai, you beat me to it...

    To the OP: I find the idea fun (interesting). And it will be plausible if you give them a good reason to do so.
     
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    If you want them to, then they can.
     
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    This is what happens in my book...

    Seconded/Thirded, whatever. One of my favorite books of all time.
     
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    NO! I've received a note and The Plot King denies your request. You will be escorted off the premises immediately. -dismissive wave-

    Ok, seriously. It's your book. Twist it, pull it, bop it, anyway you want it! Just make it believable and it will stand on it's own, if you want to do it then who is going to stop you?
     
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    i can only repeat what i just told you in your 'changing names' post:

    YOU're the writer!... you can do anything you want... why are you asking us?

    bottom line is that you can write anything at all and if it works, it works... if it doesn't, then try something else... and we can't tell if it works without seeing it, can we?
     
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    I am asking you because, you matter. Your opions all, everyone opinions matter. I can only make everything in my book better by asking questions. I am sorry that I am not sending it, I am too scared and a wimp. I am sorry if that offends anyone but you can't improve without asking. Religious or not, posting or not I need to see if you can unite a commen good vs evil. Mama I am sorry if I have upset you in any form. You are a better writer than I.
     
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    don't know what made you think you 'upset' me, honeybunch... i'm just giving you good, common sense 'mommy' advice, is all... and trying to give you the courage to let your work speak for itself...

    wimps will never get published or produced, sweetieheart... it takes guts and a thick skin to survive 'the slings and arrows' of the writing world...

    and you need to make your own decisions regarding what you write... no one else can do that for you... if you write well enough, you can truly make anything work... it's done all the time...

    love and comforting hugs, maia
     
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    See... I read a question like this and immediately go, "now how would I make that work?" because it's an interesting premise to me. As long as it's plausible (which all writing should be if it's done right), then go right ahead. I personally find the idea intriguing, and I am a strong Christian. Being religious doesn't mean I'm going to get offended by a fictional idea. I think if you take offense to something like that, it shows that you doubt your faith instead of embracing it. Just an opinion, of course.

    I'll have to agree with Maia again... YOU are the writer. If it's what YOU want to write, then write it. The only person you have to make happy when you write is YOURSELF. No-one else should matter, even if their writing skills are better than yours. The only way you can improve on your writing skills is to *write* and *re-write.* Nothing more, nothing less.

    ~Lynn
     
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    I'm a little late to conversation but....

    The common goal of such partnership would be the key to making this celestial dream team. BTW I love the idea. Good luck.
     
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    I agree with sweetchaos. It's your story, and you ultimately choose what will happen, whether anyone else likes it or not.
    But typically angels and demons, if we're stereotyping here, don't work together. You'd have to come up with some seriously good reason to have them all band together and fight side by side. Just my opinion.
     
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    Why not? Your imagination can go anywhere. The point of writing is to take your readers with you. If you can imagine it. Then it can be done.
     
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    In Job, as referenced by another reader, God asks Satan what he is doing, and he responds, telling the Lord that he's wandering the earth, looking for people to tempt. (Or something similar)
    The Lord replies, suggesting that he should look at Job, because Job was 'perfect' in the eyes of the Lord.

    This has nothing to do with working side by side, which implies that they are 'uniting' or working toward a common goal.
    If you were to use the Bible as your source, then their are no 'good' demons or fallen angels.
    They don't work with God's angels, or God, though God also does not molest them. (Unless they are being, for example, cast out of a human in the name of Jesus)

    You can create your OWN concept, your own world, where demons are just other creatures from another world, but they will be completely different from the ones spoken of in the Bible.


    Ultimately, you can do what ever you want, as others have stated. Bastardizing the Bible is not to my own liking, that is; using the Bible and scripture therefrom while changing how everything works.

    But just making a place called 'hell' and having 'demons' is done all the time by everything, and they often work with angels or humans, rather than against.
     
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    I'm going to be the dissenting opinion here. Suspension of disbelief can only take your readers so far, and if you are sticking to a traditional, biblical ideal of good vs. evil (angels and demons would qualify), then the answer is 'no'. In Matthew 12:25: "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:"

    Honestly, when you use angels and demons you run the risk of having Christians say that it isn't accurate, and non-Christians saying that they aren't interested in reading a book with biblical themes or undertones. You're better off using good and evil as threads that run through your story, but not attaching the concept to any particular "faction". Actually, the blurring of lines between good/evil is becoming more popular in fiction, but readers still love to identify with a flawed protagonist that wins out in the end.
     

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