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    Can some Christian explain the Starbucks cup for me?

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by Jack Asher, Nov 10, 2015.

    As far as I can figure out, the older cups all had seasonal decorations. That is, trees and snowflakes and snowmen. I'm not sure how these are Christian/Christmas icons, or in what way their removal is offensive.

    That being said, from a design perspective, the new cup is pretty awful.
     
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    The idea that Christmas icons and symbols must be on corporate material appeals to some Christians with entitlement issues. An authority, who is, "out there," doing something for the faith on social media, hits a nerve among those who see a general trend towards secularization. A battle ensues, people look like idiots, and social media and its darlings win.
     
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    Wait, there were designs on the Starbucks cup? All I remember of them are the image of a lady and what's in my coffee cup. o_O Huh.

    But anyway, I don't find removing those symbols offensive and those who do ... eh, they need their priorities checked. What matters is the coffee, not the cartoons drawn all over the cheap, plastic container. :agreed:
     
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    It's the right-wing counterpart to (or version of) political correctness. Two sides of the same horseshoe.
     
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    So if a company monetizes your holy day you get some kind of prize?

    Fun story:
    In Iran if a Baha'i closes his business for a holy day he will be fined, arrested, imprisoned, and the government will close his business.

    So I'm really interested to hear about how Christians are being persecuted with the wrong color cups.
     
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    Starbucks coffee sucks anyway. Plus it's a corporation. :S
     
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    Yeah, fuck them. No-name instant all the way (;
     
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    I had to Google to see the new cup, I kinda like it. Assuming that what I'm seeing is what you're referring to.

    A quote from the Snopes page on the topic, which seems to agree with your point: "It should also be noted that Starbucks could not have removed any overtly Christian symbols from their cups, because they never used them to begin with."
     
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    You know this kind of thinking doesn't fly. First world problems come first. :coffee:

    In all seriousness, I have no idea what's going on with, er, cupgate. When I first glimpsed the news I thought it was about Starbucks using blank cups so as not to offend Tumblr people who are offended by reindeer ("Jesus rode an ass donkey and they kind of resemble reindeer"), snowmen ("why are snowmen always white men?!"), and the Christmas tree ("so, like, wunderbaum is a German thing. Totally Nazi symbolism!" "Don't you mean tannenbaum?" "Whatever, I don't speak Nazi."). And now there's some hyperactive Christian making a big stink out of this to... get attention? To feel relevant?
     
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    I'm more of a tea man myself.
     
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    Around 20 years ago I was working for a food company which had employed the brand "Village Cross"...until they were threatened with prosecution because it was not multi-denominational enough.
     
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    What an awful shade of red.
     
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    It seems to be a loud minority. I heard a Christian commenting on the radio this morning, and she said Christianity was about helping the poor and loving your neighbor and setting a good example for the world, not getting outraged about non-issues like the Starbucks cup.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what would be the basis for the prosecution?
     
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    It gives the Tumbler folks some cookies to eat. ;) They're an...interesting group. :D
     
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    And a perfect example of how there is little point anymore to even making a distinction between Radicals and Reactionaries since their behavior becomes increasingly more difficult to distinguish, one from the other. I propose a new term: Reacticals. I chose that with no preference for which comes first other than I could find no portmanteau that put the Rad- first that didn't give tongue cramps. ;)
     
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    I'm at Starbucks right now. There's gingerbread flavored cofee, holly drawings, and green and red everywhere. It's clear to me that the removal of the words "Merry Christmas" is not an attack on Christianity at all, but literacy. The corporations want to make us stupid.
     
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    Isn't the Starbucks symbol a Pagan/Norse/Something not appreciated by Christians Goddess anyway? (Can't remember where I read that), so if they needed a symbol to be offended by....err....is that one?

    Those who scream that this first world issue is christian persecution, have no idea what real persecution is.
     
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    I think it was originally based on a carving of a mermaid.
     
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    More like coffee-flavored gingerbread drink.
     
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    You know what's even worse. There was a program in the US Air Force, Toys for Children (for the Christmas Season) and it was a volunteer thing, nothing mandatory. It was closed down because some atheists protested. So basically....a volunteer project of sorts to give presents to children (forgot if world wide or domestic) because it was Christmas themed. I am by no means Christian. I have a disdain for most organized religions, but this makes no sense...
     
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    According to Starbucks, it's a 16th century Norse woodcut of a twin-tailed mermaid, or Siren.

    Melusine (Alchemical Siren, Twin-tailed Mermaid)
    Sounds like a cool story prompt.
     
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    Sounds like a metaphor.
     
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    A search leads me to believe that your summary is not altogether accurate. I'm not accusing you of the inaccuracies--I can easily believe that assumptions can be piled on assumptions as a story gets passed on, and that your summary is indeed how you heard this.

    As far as I can tell:

    - The program wasn't an Air Force program.
    - It wasn't shut down.
    - It was advocated in an email sent to Air Force personnel, an email that included not only an invitation to donate and volunteer, but specific evangelical Christian content.
    - Someone complained about the religious nature of the email.

    So what was "shut down" was a solicitation, using Air Force email servers, to participate in the program, a solicitation that contained religious content.

    If the organization running the program really wanted to send toys, they almost certainly could have achieved just that if they had been willing to keep the religious content out of their solicitation. As an example, I see that the Toys for Tots program is running full steam. If I Google

    atheists "toys for tots"

    the first two hits are a website for the Iowa Atheists and Freethinkers ADVOCATING Toys for Tots.
     
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    I will look into it, if anything has changed.
     
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