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  1. ThenColmSaid
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    Comma placement

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by ThenColmSaid, Sep 22, 2016.

    I was just wondering about the formation of a sentence. The comma can be a bit tricky with me sometimes, so I was just wondering if some of you grammar gods could tell me if a comma is needed for this sentence:

    You would be free of death, and I, of this crippling memory.

    or is it:

    You would be free of death, and I of this crippling memory.
     
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    Or
    You would be free, of death, and I of this crippling memory.

    Just a different emphasis.

    Edit: I voted for option 2
     
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    I like option number two just because it sounds less archaic.

    But I'm not a comma authority.

    :)
     
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    There's no grammatical basis for the second comma in number one that I'm aware of. "And I" isn't an aside, nor is it an independent clause. Two is correct.
     
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    Grammatically speaking, there's no comma needed at all. In the case, the second clause isn't an independent clause. However, given the option, I would pick the second one. It's OK to break the rules in creative writing, but make sure you understand why you're doing it and what effect it has.
     
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    I also was going to say there is no comma needed in that sentence.
     
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    A third for no comma.

    But if you really want to force a pause for stylistic reasons, definitely the second, for the reason @Spencer1990 gives.

    And now I'm questioning the commas in my own reply :meh:
     
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    Option 2, and I would put a comma there. But then I have a problem with using too many commas:confused:
     
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    This is a really good question. You picked the perfect sentence. And is a conjunction so technically you don't need one before or after it. I think I might put one after I. But you don't really need it. HOWEVER, I think the sentence is more attractive or inviting to the eye with a comma. So, my vote is no-tellin' - it's up to you.

    In the final analysis I think I'd do it this way:

     
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    I used to as well, but I've gone the other way - probably too much so that I leave them out when they should be there.
     
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    Isn't option two what is called the Oxford comma?
     
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    An Oxford comma is the last in a list.

    I want tea, milk, (oxford comma) and biscuits.

    As opposed to...

    I want tea, milk and biscuits.
     
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    Nope - that's the comma that separates the last two items in the list.

    No Oxford comma: I ate bananas, peaches and pears.

    Oxford comma: I ate bananas, peaches, and pears.

    DAMN YOU, SPENCER1990. And me, because now I want fruit salad and tea.
     
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    What I want to know is why biscuits and tea came to mind first. I'm American and hardly drink hot tea. :confused:
     
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    Don't you guys call them cookies anyway, and biscuits are some kind of savoury thing you eat with gravy?
     
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    Neither do us Brits. Don't let stereotyping sway you.

    Well, they may drink tea down south, but they're foreigners anyway so they don't count.
     
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    So you can see why I'm confused.

    To be fair, I didn't say Brits did drink a lot of hot tea, haha. o_O

    Genuine question: Is hot tea no more common in the UK than it is in the US? Is that really just a huge stereotype?
     
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    Not huge. They do drink tea down there, but America seems to think the whole of England drinks nothing else. It's as big a stereotype as the bowler hats and briefcase get-up.

    Then again, America seems to think London IS the whole of England.
     
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    @Spencer1990 Depends on the household/individual in my experience. My two colleagues at work drink tea non-stop--literally, like the way some people chain smoke--but I can easily go months without a cup.

    Dunno what it's like up north. I don't go beyond Watford on principle.
     
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    I was never so disillusioned to think of England as only London. I'd like to think I'm better than that. I suppose I just thought it was a culture thing. Like varying degrees depending on where you go, but present nonetheless.
     
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    That's only cos you'd get battered when you opened your mouth and we heard the weird way you speak.
     
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    *slips out the back door casually, careful not to speak in my weird American accent*
     
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    No, we like Americans. They're a novelty. Southerners, however...
     
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    Northerners wouldn't understand you--they don't get electricity until 2019, so aren't used to US accents on TV.
     
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    When is it correct to put a comma before 'and' in other circumstances?
     

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