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    Crap

    Discussion in 'General Writing' started by Chinspinner, Mar 12, 2015.

    I've just experienced that intermittent occurrence where I open up my work and it all reads like crap. My characters are so dull and uninspired.

    Half my words feel like they are filling a word count rather than telling an interesting story.

    You know those moments where you hover over the delete button? Think I'll file this one away and play around with plotting and characters.
     
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    Yeah, just let what you've written so far sit for a while and focus on something else. Plotting, character development, other scenes/vignettes, world-building etc.

    Do you know if there are any critique groups where you live that you could possibly join? That might also help you to see more objectively what you've written. Or an online critique group; at least Forward Motion for Writers offers those to their forum members (forum development idea for WF too, maybe...).
     
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    I will gladly tell you whether your stuff is crap :) :) :)
     
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    Cheers, but actually just started exploring a few alternative ideas. Stuck on the mobile at the moment but when I'm back on the laptop tomorrow I might post a couple of hundred words of it and gauge the reaction.
     
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    I love the title of this thread. It really makes people want to click. Or maybe wipe their butts. :eek:
     
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    Like... "Oh crap, forgot to wipe my butt. Back to the loo, then!" ??
     
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    For those of you who read the title, then the first six words of this post, and then read on, I applaud your courage.
     
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    I have a morbid curiosity. Sometimes this backfires and I have nightmares.
     
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    I hoped for a thread on coprophagia....
     
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    I'm really appreciating the quote in your signature @Burlbird
    'Epic pooh'
    How appropriate
     
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    So far I've been spared. Not seeing horrid work on the page, that I've done many times. But fortunately it mostly looked bad when or after I wrote a better version. Take my first chapter, I loved it, tossed it, loved the result, decided it still wasn't right, completely changed it and now I love the newest version.

    If it's not right, my philosophy is, OK I can learn something new and fix it.
     
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    Argh, don't delete it!

    It might be encouraging if you read some worse crap, then put it into perspective with good crap. That way there is a scale instead of solely your own worst critic smacking you in the face.
     
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    If it looks like crap....probably is crap.

    Truth is, there are just SO many problems one's prose can have. And it's sort of a pyramid (my new word for the week). Maybe 50% of us are still struggling with the near basics (after adverbs :) ) , like passive vs active, show vrs tell, etc, etc, and then, 30% of us are beyond that, but struggling with creating a cohesive narrative that sticks within the reality of the POV, and then another 20% of us are worrying about making the scene dynamic enough, and then, after all that, there's still more to worry about, like shape and density of the prose- am I achieving more than one thing with any given sentence? And of course all sorts of other stuff, probably a lot of which I don't even yet realize...

    I'm not entirely a prescriber to the belief that anything can look bad even if its actually good. Sure, 3:30 AM in the morning is probably not the best time to evaluate one's work, for most people at least, but I can say from my own experience, there are bits of prose that have more or less withstood multiple drafts, that still get me patting myself on the back, meanwhile everything else keeps looking like shit and getting changes.
     
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    Time zones, Numbers, different time zones.
     
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    Oh no, I assumed YOU were evaluating your work first thing in the morning ;)
     
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    This is worth checking out, and definitely an idea for WF. Sometimes you want to keep your work a little more compartmentalized than posting it in the workshop for anyone to see.
    What I am looking at seems so broken I am probably better to discard it rather than fix it. I was procrastinating on it, largely because nothing about it was flowing.
    I am, I picked up Divergent again after giving up on it very early on (don't ask why I am reading YA, call it research/ curiosity). The plot set up is awful, just awful.
    The time you chose seemed to uncannily marry up with the time mark on my OP.
     
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    Thats impossible. When you wrote that message it was 3:30 AM for me...I think O_O
     
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    @KaTrian Here's a development idea for you. Allow members to create private threads where they can share their work with select people. Sort of like a conversation but better organized.
     
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    Ah, so you are in the same zone as whoever hosts this site... presumably...:confused:
     
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    The whole thing is extraordinarily convoluted. I think Daniel mentioned to me a whopping total of 67.5 pseudo timezones or something like that? We could both be staring at the sun right now.
     
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    @Chinspinner - Hey, I reckon you just need some distance. Get away from that work for a while. Weeks, if need be. Then go back. You might be surprised at how it's NOT crap at all. Or, if you discover it is, indeed, crap, you'll have an idea of why it's crap, and how to fix it.

    I bet it's not as crap as you think! Crap writers usually think their work is golden. :)
     
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    It is. I was obsessing on a central idea that wasn't working, and everything else is contrived around it like matter circling a black hole, or toothpaste circling a plughole, or a barn roof and Elsie the cow circling a tornado. You get the idea.
     
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    :eek:

    ;) I don't think my work is golden.
     
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    Print it out on long sheets of gold and roll them into golden scrolls. Tie them with golden ribbons. Let archaeologists find them a thousand years from now. THEY will think your work is golden, even if it's just a collection of pancake recipes and vacuum-cleaner instructions.
     
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    Brilliant idea! I should do that someday.
     

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