Does simile make your writing look amateurish?

Discussion in 'Descriptive Development' started by mashers, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    Okay, got it. But I don't agree that the ball is a good example. I caught crap because I used stubs. But I get your point :)
     
  2. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    23,826
    Likes Received:
    20,818
    Location:
    El Tembloroso Caribe
    Stubs? Do you mean fragments? Properly used fragments are yet another tool in one's toolbox, just like similes. I use them all the time.

    It's not do or don't; it's when, where and how.
     
    Oscar Leigh and Lyrical like this.
  3. Wayjor Frippery

    Wayjor Frippery Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    733
    Location:
    Tranquility Base
    From whom? Style is style. No two are the same.

    [off topic, sorry]
     
  4. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    Off topic, I think this should be another thread. But yeah, I used them too often and was not aware of the fact. That has been remedied ;)
     
  5. matwoolf

    matwoolf Banned Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2012
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    10,135
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    @Lifeline, it was a very good example because I waited all day to make that post.

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
    Oscar Leigh and Lifeline like this.
  6. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    I rest my point @matwoolf :D You certainly went to great trouble to find good examples!
     
  7. mashers

    mashers Contributor Contributor Community Volunteer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2016
    Messages:
    2,323
    Likes Received:
    3,089
    If I may go off topic myself, what are stubs and fragments?
     
  8. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    Both are the same thing. It is when you write a sentence which is not grammatically correct. Like..

    'Jaraley leaned against this wall, slid down, took a long swallow of his sedative. Covered his face with his hands. Fuck!'

    Used sparingly *points above* they can be a tool as Wrey and Wayjor have said, but use them too often and they disrupt flow :)
     
  9. mashers

    mashers Contributor Contributor Community Volunteer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2016
    Messages:
    2,323
    Likes Received:
    3,089
    Ahh brilliant, thanks. So are they generally used as a pacing technique?
     
  10. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    Uhm, I am not sure you could say it like that. For me they come up when I am deep in the head of my MC, when there are strong emotions. Yes, in a sense it is pacing. If my MC is shocked, when things make no sense or too much sense, then I am prone to use fragments - and then they have their place.

    For me, I have found that I shouldn't use them too often. People get kind of irritated if there is no good reason to use them (and they are right!) ;)
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2016
    Oscar Leigh likes this.
  11. mashers

    mashers Contributor Contributor Community Volunteer

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2016
    Messages:
    2,323
    Likes Received:
    3,089
    Oh ok. So if you're observing the character's thoughts or emotions closely, it makes it feel more intimate?
     
  12. matwoolf

    matwoolf Banned Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2012
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    10,135
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    STUBS

    Umm, eh, fff, mebbe use a comma, a semi-comma, colon, a 'he,' a dash of something, not a full stop, I don't think so, it looks like error, respectfully, D-.

    He washed his face, brushed his tooth. His tooth shone like a tooth in a mouth all by itself, all alone tooth, lonely tooth in a cavity all by himself, how he lingered. Solo peg, quite perfect at a table laid for one, if only he could chew...something, wrong tooth in the right place, a tragedy for the nation of teeth somewhere else, far, far away. I'm still trying to write a stub, I can't do it, I am trying. Teeth.
     
    Oscar Leigh and Wayjor Frippery like this.
  13. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    23,826
    Likes Received:
    20,818
    Location:
    El Tembloroso Caribe
    A fragment (or stub) can be used for lots of things. Just one of those things you have to have a feel for. It's hard to explain one that's well done, but one that doesn't work is obvious. As @matwoolf showed, it can paint train of thought. But it can also isolate a concept and trim it of its mechanical extraneous bits for impact, or brevity, or drama.

    Some fragments are part of regionalisms. In the UK there is a particular flavor of speech that allows one to say, "He said he would call, but he never." In America that fragment feels strange and lacking in purpose and just... wrong. In the UK, it would intone accent and age and socioeconomic position.
     
  14. Tenderiser

    Tenderiser Not a man or BayView

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2015
    Messages:
    7,471
    Likes Received:
    10,216
    Location:
    London, UK
    In particular, I read it in the voice of this young lady:
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    23,826
    Likes Received:
    20,818
    Location:
    El Tembloroso Caribe
    Me too, right? Init! Brrap! ;)
     
  16. matwoolf

    matwoolf Banned Contributor

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2012
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    10,135
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    Well, in America people 'thermalise' apparently, whilst we put on a coat. That's a nice sentence of yours tho @Wreybies...and would make an excellent prompt.

    "He said he would call, but he never."
     
  17. Wreybies

    Wreybies Thrice Retired Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    23,826
    Likes Received:
    20,818
    Location:
    El Tembloroso Caribe
    Thermalise? :wtf: That must be a thing up in the tundra states. I'm a warm weather model, Mattie. ;) If anything, I have to refrigerate. :whistle: :-D
     
    Oscar Leigh and matwoolf like this.
  18. Lifeline

    Lifeline South. Supporter Contributor

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2015
    Messages:
    4,282
    Likes Received:
    5,805
    Location:
    On the Road.
    Obvious to others, not to the writer i.e. me :D
     
    Wreybies likes this.
  19. Wayjor Frippery

    Wayjor Frippery Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    733
    Location:
    Tranquility Base
    Fragment (stub), like a brainknife scything images, a scimitar simile, metaphor machete carving hacking meaning, mmm, mmm. Fragment-simile-metaphor. Fragmiletaphor.

    There. Thread back on topic.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2016
  20. BC Barry

    BC Barry Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2016
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    58
    Location:
    New York, USA
    I know this thread is a little old but would like to jump in with my own question, if no one minds.

    Do similes work better if they're integrated within the actual action sentence instead of made into a separate sentence all of their own?

    For example:

    The tall, tan grass waved lazily in the slight breeze, undulating across the field in a dance known only to its own kind.

    The tall, tan grass waved lazily in the slight breeze. It undulated across the field as though in a dance known only to its own kind.

    Or is this not even considered a simile? I think I'm confused. :)
     
  21. Wayjor Frippery

    Wayjor Frippery Contributor Contributor

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    733
    Location:
    Tranquility Base
    Hi @BC Barry, welcome to the forums! I'll have crack at answering your questions.

    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The answer here is subjective and depends entirely on context (it's your call based on your judgement of rhythm, pace, tone, etc.).

    One thing, not related to your questions, in your sentences above the word across after undulated makes me think the grass is walking over the field from one side to the other, which I don't think is your intention.

    Your first example is a metaphor – you've said the grass is dancing in a way known only to itself. Grass can't dance or know, but you've said it is and it does, so it's a metaphor.

    Your second example is a simile – you've said the grass is undulating as though it were dancing in a way known only to itself. You've made a comparison – grass is like this – so you've written a simile.

    I hope that helps!

    :)
     
    BC Barry likes this.
  22. BC Barry

    BC Barry Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2016
    Messages:
    70
    Likes Received:
    58
    Location:
    New York, USA
    It does help. Thank you. In the middle of the night I wasn't seeing the difference. Now I do. I'll have to work on those meandering bits of grass, too. Thanks for the suggestion!
     
    Oscar Leigh and Wayjor Frippery like this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice