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    Donald Trump shrugs off comparisons to Hitler

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    That's a headline on CBC news today. Nice little shot of Trump giving a Hitler style salute. The thing being, is once I heard of his idea of banning all Muslim immigration I thought exactly this. The guys a Hitler and doesn't even know it or maybe he does.
     
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    Maybe worse than amoral. It's like they're just saying, "hey, it's nothing new, it could be justified." I'm shocked, to be honest, to see that at the CBC, which is considered further left than average.
     
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    Comparisons to Hitler are generally rather moronic, and as much as I can't stand Trump I don't think this case is any exception.
     
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    I didn't get that from your link. Rather I think they were reminding us that history is repeating itself. We may be more racist than we like to believe.
     
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    I get the sense that they're deliberately leaving it open to both sides as support, hoping they'll duke it out in the comments, and present their hits to the ad provider. When Obama said that it's unconstitutional and un-American, he's talking about this day and age, not the past.
     
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    Then there's
    Donald Trump's anti-Muslim stance triggers Vancouver tower backlash
     
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    I don't know, they're just reporting on other news agency and commentators views and news. Seriously though, is the the guy at least a little bit Hitler-esque?
     
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    There's less extreme adjectives that are perfectly suitable. People have to push the big red button though.
     
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    True enough. But by the time I add up all those adjectives and start thinking of maybe just one or two words to describe him, my mind sees a stern face with a little moustache.
     
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    Not even in the same category, in my view. I think it is incredibly insulting to those who survived the Holocaust, as well as their lost friends and family, and those who allied and fought against Hitler, to throw the word around in such a cavalier manner.
     
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    There was a time when Hitler wasn't in the same category as Hitler (if that makes any sense). Sometimes we need to 'nip things in the bud' before they get out of hand, because it's usually too late then.
     
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    This was, more or less, exactly what I was going to write. Hitler wasn't always HITLER; he was for a long time just a mouth piece until the people gave him the power to become HITLER.
     
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    I totally totally agree.
     
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    True. But there's still no basis for the comparison here, and basis whatsoever to assume Trump would follow the same path. It's just inflammatory rhetoric, which is what people seem to dig these days.
     
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    @Steerpike, I don't think it's completely unfounded to say Trump is like Hitler. They share a lot of views.
     
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    I think a comparison to Hitler would have been more apt if Trump had called for the expulsion of Muslims from the U.S., but there's no denying he has been steadily ramping up the rhetoric. He may not yet warrant comparisons to Hitler, the Nazis, or fascism, but he's definitely a demagogue.
     
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    @Steerpike, you are in all likelihood correct. But it's well worth having these discussions in the open while you can.
     
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    I think it's not just the things Trump is saying that warrant the comparisons, but also the way people are reacting to him. I mean, some drunk asshole in a bar somewhere ranting about Islam and other hateful bullshit doesn't warrant a comparison to Hitler because even though he's saying horrible things, nobody is listening to him.

    But Trump? For whatever reason, people are listening! They're cheering! He seems to have tapped into some deep, nasty vein of American ugliness, and he's mining it for all it's worth.

    So Trump isn't Hitler-esque because he's hateful. He's Hitler-esque because he seems to be really good at inspiring other people to be hateful, too.
     
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    More McCarthyesque than Hitleresque.
     
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    It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out along the campaign, from a strategic standpoint. We can only hit him with the hardest shots for so long before people might even feel sympathetic towards him, we sound as crazy as him, etc.
     
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    I think it's because when a drunk asshole spews hate in a bar, people just see it for what it is. Just an asshole. But when someone of political clout starts doing the same thing, people make comparison to the last guy who did that because of blindingly obvious reason.

    Is Trump the next Hitler? Doubt it, but he's definitely doing something
     
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