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    Erotica within a fantasy novel...

    Discussion in 'Erotica' started by MissNonscentical, Jul 27, 2012.

    So my story is coming along great so far. The only problem being that there are some bits and pieces of it that one could call erotica, and I'm afraid that it may take away from the story as a whole. The bits of more mature content in it, do help to build up to the climax of the novel as a whole. Basically my main character Nicole (aka Loreali) falls in love with a handsome grad student who turns out to be the enemy that is trying to destroy her home world, and her as well. So it adds to the plot. I just don't want it to make people go "ugh, I don't wanna read this stupid romance novel" and put the book down without actually reading the rest of it. So, do you think a little mature material is ok, if it's used sparingly and has an actual purpose?
     
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    Sex sells. Sex with a purpose sells too. As long as it adds to the story and is believable, go with it.

    However, if he's trying to destroy her...not sure how having sex with her will help...unless it's a matter of defamation of character because now she's a whore or something along those lines. At that point, I don't see it as a romance.

    Ken Follet uses sexuality a lot in his stories. I don't think many people would label them as romance novels though. There is too much going on. Too many sub plots and too much violence for it to be a romance story.
     
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    Thanks. No he's not destroying her when he's having sex with her. Basically what happens is she ends up dating him at the beginning. Then when she realizes what her real identity is, it is revealed to her that he's the person who has been trying to destroy her home planet. Of course, when she first meets him he's in his human form, so she doesn't realize this at first. I think it's believable though. I'll get some of my friends to read it and see what they think maybe.
     
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    But he knows he's trying to destroy her and her planet yes? I'd try and come up with a good reason why he is pursuaded to have intercourse with her. Even if it's a moment of passion. Perhaps address his internal conflict at sleeping with the enemy? Perhaps he's trying to lure her to a weak point by romancing her, so he can get close enough to attack? Maybe having fun toying with her while he waits for the time to attack?
     
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    If you write the sex well, it will be fine. It's only terrible when sex is written badly. An example from Lee Child, in 1st person narrative with a constant repetition of the following 2 lines:
    1 - "We were fast. We went at it. And we were good. Very good."
    2 - "She tossed her head from side to side."

    It was cheap, soft porn basically, written only with the male audience in mind. I really did nearly throw the book away.
     
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    Hi,

    I agree sex sells, but you do have to make sure about not crossing genres too much. For me the sex in Game of Thrones was too much, even though its often integral to the plot. Who was screwing who mattered in court politics.

    I think if this is meant to be a fantasy novel then the erotica side of it needs to be kept under control, and when its used it should be to advance the plot or at least add to the feel / enjoyment of the story. Too much and the danger you face is that people who read the story as a fantasy work will be annoyed. If on the other hand your book is more about the erotica side of things, then you should market it as that sort of work and keep the fantasy side under control.

    It's a balancing act.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    I agree that you need to come up with a very good reason why he's seducing her. My first thought is that he's using her to get closer to someone else.

    I also wouldn't call it erotica. It's a scene or two in your book and the plot doesn't revolve around the sex, right? As long as you don't go on for pages about it, I wouldn't worry too much.
     
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    How does being fast indicate porn with the male audience in mind? Don't they want to be able to go for hours? That sounds more like premature ejaculation and I'm reminded of the spoof song "Jizzed in my pants" and it's rebuttle song "Puke in my mouth" :D

    Unless he wants it to be erotica? ;)
     
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    ^^ True. I got the impression he didn't though.
     
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    Haha premature ejaculation - now that would be hilarious in a scene like that! But really, the way it was written, trust me it was geared definitely for the male audience! And sounded a lot like soft porn to me the way the girl kept "tossing her head". I'm afraid those are the only 2 details I remember, the rest of my memory include being uncomfortably amused at such horrendous bad writing esp about sex, and a desperate urge to cringe and throw the book away. Either way, baaaad :D
     
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    BF Guru - I need to find that song Jizzed... I've not heard that one before, and it sounds quite beautiful and sentimental.
    Mckk and others -- have you looked at the Bad Sex in Fiction awards? They're given out by a British society every year and some of them are hilarious.

    But as to the original question -- MissNonsensical, if you put the scenes in there because they seemed natural and necessary to the plot, I don't think you have any problem at all. Where people go wrong is trying to insert a sex scene just to have one, and it doesn't really make sense or add to the plot or development of the characters. (Or where it seems the writer is just writing his or her sex fantasies.)The fact that you are cognizant of the issue of having too much and indicate that there are only "bits and pieces" of sexuality in the book overall leads me to believe that you're probably okay.
     
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    And now I'm singing "I whip my hair back and forth, I whip my hair back and forth!" This thread just digresses to prepubescence faster by the second for me.

    And chicagoliz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY and the rebuttle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJsQcnB6GC0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJsQcnB6GC0

    Enjoy! and not safe for kiddos!
     
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    Andy Samberg is quite the talent.
     
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    I think that sex is something that separates the fantasy stories I read as a kid and the ones I read now. If you think about it, a story about adults, even young adults, would be a bit weird if there wasn't at least some sex or sexual tension at some point. It just needs to be done carefully, written somewhat casually unless you want sex to be a major part of the story. If you do it too "cheaply" like in Mckk's example its sort of like male porn, and if you get to explicit like those 50 Shades books its female porn. I think, I'm a guy so I have no idea what women actually like, maybe I should read those books.
     
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    No, don't read 50 Shades. There is no need to go THAT far. Unless you want a lesson in how not to write, especially sex scenes.
     
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    I haven't read 50 Shades yet. I've seen a bunch of bad reviews on Amazon, saying that the author seriously needed a thesaurus & listed which adjectives and phrases she used repetitively & even some were like 70 times! All the reviews said that she was a horrible writer & basically just wrote porn for women. But aren't those authors of erotica pretty popular?

    I guess maybe writers of everything else get disgruntled because they put more thought into their writing than just cheap sex scenes & then they see those authors getting so much recognition? That reminds me of my bf. He is a music producer & we have discussed that we both like artists that are more lyrical but the masses don't care much about that, that they just want to listen to something simple, catchy, with a good beat. A simple chorus or whatever. This does frustrate actual artists because they put more thought into their craft.

    But I have friends & family that have enjoyed 50 Shades. Women that read a lot & women that don't even like to read. Just like I appreciate lyrical artists but also bump to catchy simple songs as well.
     
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    A Song of Ice and Fire is the books you want to read. It's practically an erotica novel because if they have so many sex scenes inside very very very big books. And its fantasy.
     

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