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    In This Cold Winter, Let's Remember Those That Aren't So Lucky...

    Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by JJ_Maxx, Jan 4, 2014.

    Hey guys, found this really cool video on YouTube about making backpacks for the homeless for less than $20. I can't imagine what a gift like this would do for a person with nothing.



    I'm definitely going to hit up my local Salvation Army and try this out. I may add a pocket New Testament as well, because they only run a few dollars.
     
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    This is a good idea, but please don't include the New Testament. Mixing religious stuff with charity leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There's this homeless shelter near my city that makes homeless people listen to sermons before they're given food to eat. That's just wrong.

    Anyway, like I said, the backpack thing is a good idea.
     
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    Great idea, but personally I'd value a chapstick or an extra jar of peanut butter more than the assumption that I might benefit from a copy of a religious text. Sorry, J.J. I don't mean to be rude. I do realise that you say the above with the best of intentions.

    I ended up on the streets as a teenager. A copy of the New Testament is much easier to procure, believe it or not, than a dry pair of socks.
     
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    I respect the fact that you don't personally feel it's important, but to me it's more important than anything. My job is to plant the seed, then I leave it to God whether that seed takes root. I don't force them to read it, but I pray that God impresses upon their heart to do so. Because even though they are going through difficult times, there is One who gives peace that exceeds understanding. ;)
     
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    I appreciate your thoughts. :)
     
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    The most important part. ;)
     
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    Just ask yourself: What would Jesus do?
     
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    I think it's a great idea, and it's not too much that someone on a budget couldn't do it. It's also just the sort of thing that @Duchess-Yukine-Suoh is always talking about.

    The only thing for me is that I don't have a car, so I'd always have to carry around an extra backpack. I wonder if a fanny pak/smaller zip-up bag would be just as useful as the backpack.

    Thanks for sharing, JJ!
     
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    I think backpacks or any other help you can offer the homeless is a great idea—but I echo the others who say that including a Bible (any portion) is not a good idea. It smacks of emotional blackmail, actually—and of ulterior motive on the part of the 'giver.'

    Most people who are not religious, or who follow other religions have chosen this option—it's not because they've not been exposed to Christianity. I understand you're a Christian @JJ_Maxx, but how would you feel if it was YOU on the street, through no fault of your own, desperate for food to get you through another day or something to keep you from freezing, and a backpack appeared ...a miracle ...with a copy of the Koran, or some shamanistic token, or a copy of The Book of Mormon, or a copy of one of Richard Dawkins's books included? Maybe you'd be happy enough to embrace the faith of the person who gave you the backpack, but if you've already decided upon your own religious views, this inclusion would only make you feel patronised and angry. Wouldn't it? I very much doubt if it would convert you.

    I think if you concentrate on being Christian yourself, and worry less about the beliefs of others, you'll be on the right track.
     
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    Mark 16:15
    “And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature."
    Sorry guys, I know most of you think your on the right track, but you're not going to persuade me. As I said, it is not blackmail or coercion or guilt or anything like that, it is helping others in the name of Jesus. So feel free to discuss the other contents of the pack, but as far as the life-giving good news of Jesus, I will not leave that important part out. ;)
     
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    You guys will find ANYTHING to complain about, won't you? Pretty sure there's no law in the U.S against offering anyone a free book. If someone wants to jump off a bridge, do you let him? Why don't you give whatever charity you see fit and JJ will do the same.
     
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    Yes, of course, everybody will do what they want on this issue. The KKK might well decide to start distributing backpacks to worthy individuals, in order to give their organisation a good name. McDonald's hamburgers might well do the same. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

    I just find 'giving' to promote an organisation or entity's name it a bit icky, that's all. It's taking advantage of another person's misfortune to promote your favourite Whatever.

    I'd much prefer to see people giving without any emotional strings attached, so that the recipient has an easier time, feels less cold and hungry, and maybe even feels comforted because somebody (anonymously) took the time and trouble to think of their situation? Instead of using gifts (and the recipient's desperate need) as an opportunity to promote a philosophy or particular organisation?

    But that's just me ...and several others on this thread as well. Incidentally, yes, I did donate (and continue to donate) anonymously to homeless charities, especially Shelter. Shelter operates independently of religion, politics, etc. They just want to help.
     
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    And I'm pretty sure the U.S. has laws that allow me freedom of speech. Sorry... am I supposed to sit back and say nothing because I don't agree?

    Also, I'm sure J.J. was aware of the stance some of us might take. He chose to include the detail about possibly providing a copy of the New Testament. He could have withheld that information. He didn't. (As is his right.) It troubled me, and I said so. (As is mine.)

    I'm totally with @jannert on this.
     
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    Including the New Testament in the pack is not some sort of emotional coercion or propaganda. It is a gift of its own. The NT is chock full of messages that can bring joy and hope into anybody's heart in the most desperate of hours. The tuna can satiate you for a day. Hope and happiness can change your life.
     
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    Sounds like a lot of people in this thread would have a problem with the YMCA or the Salvation Army, both which do charitable work with a Christian message.

    There are countless other organizations that do charity and help people because of the example of Jesus. Millions and millions of people have received both physical and spiritual care from these people.

    Some people just really dislike religion I suppose.
     
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    I know! When I read this, I was all, "Hey! @JJ_Maxx is taking my job as resident charity person!" JK. :D

    On the whole "New Testament" thingy, just remember it's an extra. I can't convert a kitten, but I think that socializing it still counts as a good deed.;)

    I actually read an article where people make packs for poor children, so that they have food to eat over the weekend because I am charity-obsessed.

    I could help you figure out what to put and where to buy the supplies, JJ.
     
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    Can't grasp the full import of the Greek without the Hebrew. If you're gonna give someone a bible, might as well give them the whole thing. Reading the book of Ruth could be pretty uplifting to someone with nothing. Just my opinion on that.

    Otherwise, seems like a worthy endeavor all together!
     
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    While the Old Testament is important, it is just a precursor to Jesus. The New Testament contains the Gospel message, which is all men need to know to be saved.
     
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    Everyone is going on about the Bible. I'm thinking of the best brand of soap for as little money as possible.............
     
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    Well, I have both a Dollar Tree and a Salvation Army near my house, so I should be able to find enough supplies.
     
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    OK. Going with what @Garball said, though, both soap and wet wipes are useful, and I would even recommend those mini-Purells.
     
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    Not trying to get into a debate here, but I stick by what I've said. 2 Tim 3:16-17: All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial..."

    The Bible is meant to be whole, it interprets itself, so if you don't have the whole thing, you can't understand it completely. And there are complete pocket bibles not much bigger than a New Testament that you can get.
     
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    Would a couple of those chemical hand warmer packs be a good idea too for winter?
     

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