Intelligence

what is the difference between smart and intelligent? or clever and smart?

 

Certainly in Britain and perhaps elsewhere, 'clever' is sometimes used to disparage:

'Oh, aren't you a clever dick!'
'Yes, very clever.'

This sort of usage indicates that cleverness has (is taken to have) a tricksy or superficial element about it - that cleverness often operates in a moral vacuum or is lacking a broader and deeper understanding of things. eg

Scientist A discovers a substance that when smelled kills all ginger people but leaves others untouched. He publishes his findings. Scientist A is clever.

Scientist B discovers a substance that when smelled kills all ginger people but leaves others untouched. He does not make public his discovery. Scientist B is intelligent.

Smart is, on this spectrum, between intelligent and clever, but closer to the latter.

 

Oh god yes. Even during school I've met a great number of people who are both intelligent and arrogant about it at the same time.

 

clever is acting on something you discovered
and intelligent is knowing about it and not acting on it?
you need intelligence to be clever otherwise the findings would not be.
I do not understand smart however.

 

Intelligence is something you're born with. Smart is acquired. Clever is useful.

Dumb people don't learn from their own mistakes.
Intelligent people learn from their own mistakes.
Smart people learn from other people's mistakes.
Clever people cause other people to make mistakes and observe the outcome for future reference.

 

wow...perfect analysis indeed. I could not have done better myself.

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this almost put clever and smart together.
I am trying to think of the latter as in an example but I can't think of one....
Could clever people cause others' mistakes without meaning to?
and
Smart poeple don't know it was a mistake till a clever person said it was? LOl
This is getting confusing.

 

Dumb people fall off their motorcycles and scrape their hands open, then get back on without gloves.
Intelligent people fall off their motorcycles and scrape their hands open, and wear gloves, next time they ride a motorcycle.
Smart people read accident reports and conclude from the findings that when people fall off motorcycles without gloves, they tend to scrape their hands, so they wear gloves before they start riding motorcycles.
Clever people spill diesel in the road, and watch riders fall bare-handed and gloved, then draw their own conclusions.

 

I cannot possibly vouch for that. It sounds rather weird to want to do that.
I am wondering what conclusions one would draw from watching people slip off their comfort zone.

 

aa was being facetious, cacian... not seriously proposing that would/should be done...

 

Well, actually...

Suffice to say that intelligence has only limited influence on being bright, smart or clever. Or crafty. Or wisdom, for that matter.

 

Intelligent people tend to see the glass as half full.
Smart people tend to see the glass as half empty.
Clever people tend to see that you have twice as much glass as you need.

Wise people tend to see that it's all the same.

 

Yeah. It also reminds me a bit of US black culture in that those who try to do well in school and get a good education are criticized for 'acting white'. I wonder what the cause of such things is? Maybe it's part of the herd mentality trying to dissuade others from being different, even if that being different is a positive thing.

 

I believe that's an astute observation. Often on the reservations we hear adults telling their children to get an education and come back and help your people. Upon returning from college they are nearly universally dismissed, along with their new ideas, as being apples (red on the outside, white on the inside).

 

@yagr

which people?

How are they dismissed on the ground of this?

 

They seem, to the people dismissing them, to have abandoned their traditional ways and ways of thinking, and become like the white man. The native Americans are often referred to as the 'red man'. Used to be they were red men on the outside and red men on the inside - what they are saying is that they simply look like 'red men' now, they don't think like one.

 

I get is now yagr thank you.
I have heard much of American Indians and yes the 'red men' makes me think of 'red knecks' for some reason.
red knecks are reknown for their fachists tendencies right?

 

The term is rednecks, and it refers to short-haired Southerners (the term was coined by long-haired hippies) to refer to ignorant rural citizens with sunburned necks and intolerant ideas. The term has nothing to do with fascism, and is in fact every bit as intolerant as those it refers to.

 

what do you mean by intolerant ideas?
I heard rednecks reputations as racists. Hence mybringing up fascism.

 

Racism has nothing to do with fascism. Despite their similar spelling, they are completely different terms.

As for intolerance, racism is one form of intolerance. Please don't post questions you can answer with a dictionary or google lookup.

 

where the heck didya get that idea, cog?

 

Dunno found a funny quote somewhere once that said something along the lines of "intelligent people aren't the ones that spend hours studying for an exam to get good grades. Intelligent people are the ones who don't have to study to get good grades in an exam"

 

Where I'm from, the average IQ is reportedly 75ish.

Where we are all going, everyone's IQ is zero.

 

I apologize if someone's brought this up already (haven't read the entire thread), but intelligence isn't something cut and dry where you either have it or you don't. There's varying degrees of intelligence. Someone could be horrible at math and reading, and have a limited capacity for learning in those areas, but could be extremely bright with regards to street-smarts and reading/relating to other people. Likewise, someone could have a genius gift for creating music, writing or art, or could invent a cure for cancer, but could be extremely socially awkward and inept at practical situations. And there's far more areas of intelligence then just the ones I've mentioned.

 

I have heard that too. I am not sure it is entirely true.
I think those who study like to study and those who don't prefer a different type of learning.
I was not a'studier' at school. I did not like learning things by heart for example.

How do you mean the way we are going?
It sounds to me like a good point youhave brought up.

 

Yup. I posted something similar but you get the point across with more eloquence, lol.