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    Is socialism an effective bogeyman in the u.s.?

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    I don't think it's effective with even mild liberals, though that may be wishful thinking on my part.
     
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    I often get the impression Americans rarely understand what Socialism even is.
     
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    I don't think so, either. And I even know some Republicans who like Sanders and don't seem to care about that word being used. As @Lemex says, it may be in part because the people using it don't seem to understand the word.
     
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    It's whatever is more left-wing than you are. :p
     
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    I've heard of salon.com, of course, but haven't read much there. Do they make a habit of publishing that sort of swill?

    I think Bernie Sanders wants the US to be a semi-socialist state, like some European countries. The current class-warrior fad here assures him an audience, but I doubt if anyone on the Right is much worried about his chances.
     
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    I've already admitted once before to not knowing what socialism truly is. lol It was explained to me. But then I forgot it. And now I just don't care. :p

    I don't think it's an effective strategy either. I think people think it is, so they run around screaming about a socialist Jew. But the only people they're going to scare away are other people screaming about him being a socialist Jew.

    Another thing I've seen though is that a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters call him a "democratic" socialist, like there's a difference. Is there?
     
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    If he advocates social democracy, then maybe that's where the name comes from? I'm not that familiar with what he's pushing. Like, modeling the US after Canada? Or Nordic social democracy? Higher and gradual taxation, larger public sector, universal healthcare...?
     
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    Haha, damn Socialism - so insidious. :D

    For everyone, the generally agreed basic idea of Socialism is common ownership of the economy, usually it's phrased as the 'means of production', which was old-timey, 1800s speak for the economy through things like farming equipment and factories. It is pretty collectivist - but not strictly collectivist, as 'Democratic Socialism' shows, and usually Socialist states (not Communist states) have some mixture of state-owned industries and facilities working alongside a limited free market. Or a market for free financial trade if the term 'Free market' seems to contradict Socialism for you.
     
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    Bill Maher: What Bernie Sanders said vs what the Republicans heard.

     
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    Thanks @GingerCoffee I was miserable for hours before I saw this. But as regards the OP, my personal view is that the Cold War influenced the view of big government especially for baby boomers. I know I'm not American, so what do others in the U.S. on the site think about this, with respect to the public, not just people well-versed in foreign political models or taxation and public policy?
     
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    People see different realities. My father's reality was that the commies were coming for us one domino at a time. Mine is the US and the EU totally screwed the world using our military might supporting corporate raiding of other countries' resources in the name of capitalism without using the profits to better the lives of the people in those countries.

    Confessions of an Economic Hit Man provides some examples of what I'm talking about.

    I don't think the cold war shaped the baby boomers, at least not in the blue states. I think the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about in 1961 had a lot to do with promoting military intervention. The Neocons took the fear mongering to heart.

    This is of course an oversimplified summary. ;)
     
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    I say America should give socialism a chance. We've been stuck with oiligarchal capitalism for a little while, why not try a new system?
     
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