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    Is this type of ending possible for my story?

    Discussion in 'Plot Development' started by Ryan Elder, May 13, 2016.

    For my story, I have thought of several different endings, but have not been satisfied with any of one of them, or found any to be as interesting as I would like.

    Mainly it's a screenplay, so I don't want it to be near as long compared to a novel. It's a crime/suspense thriller type story, where the police are after a gang, but the ending I want, is that I want the entire gang to be caught at the same time with no loose ends, are very little if it can be helped.

    But in all the endings I have come up with, I cannot think of a way for the entire gang to all be caught at the same time, without having some sort of plot hole or without it feeling forced, that they would all have motive to ALL be in the same place and time to do something to get them caught, so to speak.

    I have been told by readers and even writers, who's opinions I have asked that it's impossible to catch an entire gang at the same time and completely unrealistic for the police to be able to do that. Realistically the cops would go to where one of them lives, arrest him on evidence, and get that person to turn in some others, and then do so the same thing and so forth.

    But doing it that way, makes for kind of an underwhelming ending with little of the surprises and drama I had in mind. Plus if I did it that way the script would be too long, and it would take too long to get from one villain to another, plot structure wise.

    I need to wrap things up quickly. But is it possible to build toward an ending where they are all caught in the same time and place, or is that just too much to hope for, and I need to go with a variant of the ending that is suggested, even though I feel it is underwhelming?

    I was told by one writer, that for this type of story, this type of ending is inevitable, but that is that true, do you think? Is my ending possible in theory, and I should keep trying to explore if it can be done?
     
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    Your story is only limited by your imagination. If you can make it self-consistent and you enjoy it, you can do what you like (in fact, you don't even have to enjoy it, and it can be full of plot holes — you can still do what you like, might not get published, but there are no word-police on stakeout inside your keyboard).

    Police officers organize sting operations where they take down more than one suspect simultaneously all the time. If you think taking down an entire gang is stretching it, then make sure your characters are suitably impressed when it does happen and you're good.
     
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    I don't see why they all need to be caught in the same time and place. If you want several of them to be caught at once, and you're thinking of a movie, you could do the montage thing, cutting from arrest to arrest.
     
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    Because that's what Ryan wants...?
     
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    Well, my suggestion doesn't give him everything he wants, but if the major villains-that-matter are arrested at approximately the same time, but in different locations, he fulfills most of his stated criteria. And while that's a difficult scenario, I think it's substantially less difficult than arresting every single gang member simultaneously.
     
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    I agree completely, but who ever said plotting was easy? They say kill your darlings, which is good advice, but I think there are times when darlings should be made to play — your darlings are often the original bits. Strive to make 'em work, I say.

    I may be wrong, of course.
     
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    Well I am an aspiring filmmaker as well, and part of the writing is writing to my budget. If they are all arrested in different places, then the budget goes up for each location.

    But the cops would have to find one and then find another, and it would take a lot longer in length to find them each at other locations, then it would to arrest them all at the same time.
     
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    You haven't said how many people are in the gang, so taking a punt there's no loads of them . . . Could they be in the same place to share out the spoils of their last job? Could they be in the same place to plan their next job? Could they all be on the same train, or airplane on their way to the next job?
     
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    One of the members of the gang has a significant birthday or an anniversary to celebrate.

    The entire gang, their horrible wives gather in a glitzy mansion for a barbecue. All at once The Flying Squad burst through the fence in their cop cars, and a chopper hovers overhead.

    'Put the sausage down,' says Nobber of the Yard - via a loudhailer in the helicopter.

    'It's a fair cop, guvnor, ' says Grippa, but still he bites his sausage...

    'Ho..ho..hot,' he says.

    Meanwhile Stanley the Knife is collared by uniformed as he rustles among back door dustbins.

    One page, I reckon, and job done.
     
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    Well I am not sure how many are in the gang. I was thinking maybe 15 around, but I have been told by readers that that many is too far fetched. But I would need at least four, since there are four villain roles in the plot to be played, where one character cannot fill all those roles himself.

    But I cannot think of a reason to all be in the same place for the same job. I was going to have them all get together to destroy some evidence of their crimes, and the police were going to catch them with the evidence. But I was told by readers that not all of them would get together to destroy it and only one would, and the others would rely on him. So I thought that maybe the one could be caught, but he decides to get into a hostage stand off with police, and call his friends, who show up to try to rescue him from the police. But I was told by readers that his friends would just leave town.

    So if this is the case, where they are not all needed for one job, and they would not help each other out in a fight with the police, then I am not sure what else I can do, for them to have a reason to all be caught at the same time.
     
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    They think the police aren't on to them, so they all get together for a beer (?), or @matwoolf's b'day party.

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    Kill your readers and get new ones?

    (joke)
     
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    But if they all get together for a beer, that is not doing anything illegal. The police would still want to catch them for doing something illegal. The police could have evidence on them before. But going for a beer is just lacking in a suspense and drama, and I thought I could go for something more dramatic than just having a beer as the big climax.
     
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    I think you can too. Trust your imagination and you'll find it.

    :)
     
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    Well, do gangs always do gang things? Don't they have down time, like a poker game at the "club" or a basketball game in the city park? It may not be possible to catch them all at once (think real life - can you get everyone together on the same day at the same time?) but you may catch the major players.

    edit: as far as catching them doing something illegal...you do have a "bad" cop, right? So maybe he plants something in a duffle bag or in a motorcycle's leather pack?
     
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    That's what I was thinking. The cop can plant something to implicate them. However, I was told it was a plot hole, cause it would not hold up in court, if the villains finger prints are not on the planted object, and it would come off as possibly planted, so the court would have to let them go, based on reasonable doubt.

    And I would have to implicate all of them, which means the cop would have to get prints from all of them handling it, so if that's true that I need all their prints, is that still do-able?
     
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    It depends how they play during the story. Are they together in their crimes or does each have his own part? Do they ever get together or is it done via phone or code? Are they all men? What is their crime? I would suspect it would be easier to catch them as a group but if there were 3 (the law of 3) they may be able to be caught simultaneously by three different cops, or feds.
     
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    They are together for some, and each have their own part in others. Those are the parts where I need at least four of them for the story to happen how I want.

    Sometimes they are done together, sometimes, it's done on the phones, it really all depends. They are all men except for one at least, who I wanted to be a woman. What do you mean by the law of 3?

    Basically they kidnap people and kill them on video, then send the videos to the public to make certain demands to be met, or it will keep happening, so to speak. But they also commit crimes apart or speak on the phones later on, when things get heavy.
     

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