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    kings and queens

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by zaffy, Oct 15, 2010.

    When mentioning kings and queens in creative writing is it, for example

    Henry I or Henry the first or Henry the First.

    I am inclined to put Henry I. But some sentences may look confusing.

    "Henry I," I said.
     
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    personally i would prefer to see "Henry the first" when a character is speaking it. and for the sake of keeping it standard throughout would probably use it in the same way elsewhere.

    not sure if this is the "correct" way, but its certainly what i would go for.
     
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    If it is Henry I and he is still alive he would just be King Henry.

    If this is just an example how are they being mentioned? With my Kings I just make them King Lorenzo II etc Have yet to have anyone complain about it - it is how I have seen it written in historical novels
     
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    depends on the context... give us the sentence you want to use it in...

    regardless, when there's a number following 'the' it should be capitalized...
     
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    Below, examples as requested.

    ‘Ah, The She Wolf of France, King Philip’s daughter and Queen consort to Edward II, she deposed him you know?'

    I know Henry VIII had many wives.

    ‘Ah another Plantagenet, son of Henry II and Eleanor Duchess of Aquitaine.'

    ‘Henry I,’ I say.
     
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    P.S.
    The Kings and Queens mentioned once reigned in England and the story they are set in is loosely factual.
     
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    fyi, in dialog numbers always must be spelled out...
     
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    It seems to me that the fact that this is in dialogue makes a difference. Would the character say, "Henry one" (the way that I see your example sounding if it were spoken out loud) or would he say "Henry the First"?
     
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    Maybe Henry one or would it be Henry One?
    Something to think about.
    Or even 'Englands first Henry'.
    As soon as I think 'problem sorted' somebody throws a spanner in the works.
    Anyhow, thanks for the problem.
     
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    Never use 'Henry one' in British English--it doesn't exist in the vernacular. Always say 'Henry the First'.
     
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    of course!... i've never heard anyone saying 'henry one' either in the us or uk... have you?

    just as one would say 'phillip the second' or 'pope pius the twelfth'...
     
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    I haven't heard anyone say Henry One either - but could be a way of writing it, if trying to write creatively. I suppose there is a fine line between being original and being wrong.
     

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