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    Learn your Erotic Manga.

    Discussion in 'Erotica' started by Wreybies, Apr 15, 2014.

    Hentai = Boy + Girl (there are lot's of subcategories that I know exist but I don't pretend to know all their names)

    Yaoi = Boy who almost looks like a girl + Boy who almost looks like a girl (lovey dovey is the goal). Yaoi is usually created by female artists and is very much directed at a female fan-base. Sometimes the guys aren't too hyper-feminized, but instead aspire to a late 80's, lightly New Wave chic, Z Cavaricci look. The senpai/kohai dynamic sometimes, but not always, shows up.

    Bara = Masculine dude + Masculine dude (sometimes hyper-masculanized) (action is the goal). Created by male artists for a male audience. For some strange reason, whenever one guy tells the other guy that he wants to get it on with him, he screams it in the same manner as you would confess a long ago heinous crime that you just can't hold in any more. The senpai/kohai dynamic is much more prevalent in bara because it goes well with the much more masculine nature of the genre.

    Yuri = Girl + Girl

    Tentacle = 'Nuff said
     
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    I didn't know about bara, just thought it was all yaoi.

    Weird how some anime is labeled yuri even when it only depicts friendship between girls. Does this apply to manga too? o_O
     
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    Yeah, sometimes the meanings of the words get stretched a little within their respective fandoms and also because sometimes the versions of certain manga and anime we get in the West aren't the same as in their countries of origin. Sailor Moon is probably the most well known of the "edited for Americans" franchises. No boobs for 'Muricans. Boobs in the original versions. ;)
     
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    Tentacles? Is that erotic camp side fire stories where people sleep in tents? :confused:
     
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    I thought it was a children's show :eek:
     
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    What differentiates yaoi and shōnen-ai? Is it the level of explicitness?

    Come to think of it, are shōnen-ai, shōjo-ai, class s etc. proper genres at all in comparison to, say, bara? Or are the "ai"s more of a Western invention to distinguish between types of yaoi and yuri titles?

    Speaking of class s, it strikes me a bit odd that plenty of manga / anime titles, kinda like what Kat talked about (ones that are essentially platonic stories about same sex friendship but include stuff like hugging or holding hands), are closer to that than yuri or even shōjo-ai, yet they are frequently classified as yuri even if there's zero yuri content.
    Color me confused since more than once I've read or watched something, thinking it's just normal manga / anime only to later read from a review or some such that I was actually consuming yuri. :confused:
     
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    Shōnen-ai could fall under either yaoi or bara depending on the esthetic style of the drawing and the direction/intent of the storyline, which would determine the intended audience. Shōjo-ai, in today's scene, would just be a kind of yuri.

    And yeah, the terms sometimes cross lines or encompass things that you would think either don't belong in that category or even in any of the categories of "erotic" manga/anime. Again, some of that I think is cultural differences (cultural of origin v. culture of consumption), and a lot of it is just misuse of Japanese terms in the outside world. How many times have I come across the phrase "gay hentai" and thought, "Really? Gay straight porn? Yeah, I'd be interested to see how that works..."

    In one of the naughtier :p forums where I hang, my profile picture is this bara guy. This is Mentaiko-san's work:

    [​IMG]
     
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    A long time ago I was reading up on the tentacly stuff, and if I remember correctly it's a long, long tradition. Like Feodal Tentacles.

    Huh, like dividing by zero or googling google.
     
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    I'm not too familiar with the Japanese terms. I'd thought bara pretty much meant muscle-fetish stuff. I didn't know it was more general than that.
     
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    Yep! :) And there's of course all kinds of overlap. The fellah with the squared off blade I posted above is named Granz, The Dark Knight (no relation to the fledermaus) He appears in a few different doujin by Mentaiko and at least one is very tentacle.

    Yup.. So strange, right? Like there's Edo Era tentacle and all. o_O

    Also... gratuitous rear end shot of Granz. Relax, everyone. Totally safe for work. ;)

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    How can someone get aroused by a cartoon person having sex with a monster? I just don't get it. :confused:
     
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    I don't pretend to get it either, dude. o_O But you and I both googled "Pokemon boobs" the other day and saw what we saw. :eek: Why would anatomically impossible boobs do it for anyone? I mean, the girl was an outgrowth of the boobs, not the other way around!

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    I thought Tentacles was the ancient Greek hero in the Iliad who provided Agamemnon and Achilles and the rest with their tents. Am I wrong?
    ;):p
     
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    I want to know why when I did that search the first picture was a shemale cartoon doing the five knuckle shuffle. How in the world could the search "Pokemon boobs" bring that up first!
     
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    You are obviously an internet noob.
     
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    .... because I doubt I'll get a better segue in this lifetime ;)

     
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    What?!!?!? Is there some kind of hidden meaning of Pokemon that I don't know about? I know what boobs are.
     
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    @Wreybies, I've been wondering about that: is there a female equivalent of bara? 'Cause to me it looks like 99% of anime girls are either miniscule lolis or skinny girls with massively big-boobs, but no muscular females, not even when they're supposed to be athletes, fighters, or some such.
    I think I've seen a hyper-muscular caricature female bodybuilder (I think she was half-monster too) appearing as a one-off bad guy in some anime a long time ago (maybe Sailor Moon?), but that was, as I said, just a one-off and a caricature, but I've never seen even remotely athletic-looking girls in any important roles in any anime although I'm pretty sure some must exist 'cause there's so much anime and manga out there.

    Now that I think about it, there was a muscular female minor character in Kureimoa aka Claymore, but even she was just using her yoma powers to make herself look muscular and when she didn't, the muscles went away and she was a "normal" girl again.


    I have a vague recollection of being almost passed out drunk some years ago at my band's ex-drummer's house with the rest of the crew (Kat was there too), sitting on the floor and stuffing chocolate candies under his living room carpet (for him to find next morning and he did, but they had somehow molten into one big blob by then) while the tentacly hentai classic, La Blue Girl, was playing in the background. Don't ask me why, not a fan either, but obviously some like 'em.
     
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    He's wearing vale tudo pants!

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    I wonder if straight guys are aware how gay the UFC really is...
     
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    Ha! The huge hidden world of homoeroticism. ;)

    BTW, spellcheck would not help me with homoeroticism. Like, not in the least bit. I haven't had my coffee yet and I didn't know if it was -scism or -cism or -sism. I'm going to start referring to it as prude-check.
     
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    While the autocorrect of your phone has the opposite power of autocorrecting innocent words into rude ones oh so stealthily and you don't notice it until after tapping 'send.' I don't switch it off cos it actually does some good correcting too, but at times I also feel like it's trying to wreck my relationship, changing perfectly innocent nouns into men's names (like just yesterday I typed mitäs which means "how's" and it switched it to Miro and of course I noticed it too late).
     
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    There is. I've seen it. I don't know the name of it, but if you google "muscle hentai", you'll see it. None of the examples I found - of which there were many - were ok to post here, so... google it. On second glance, a lot of it seems to be futanari too. ;) There are plenty of other kinds of erotic manga that I didn't mention. I was hoping to leave room for others to add their vocabulary offerings. :) For example, shota. :eek::( I know some crazy things come out of the land of manga and anime, but when I started running across shota I was really panicked. You know the feeling when your computer has gone somewhere bad and you fear that somehow, somewhere, someone will find out or know? That. Shota is basically cartoon kiddie porn. *shudder* Eeewww!
     
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    But only on the male side of things (surprise? I don't think so). When Tonya Evinger said that she'd totally want to make out with Gina Carano in their pre-fight interview, folks loved it.

    The attitude on the men's side of the fence (or cage) is pretty much
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    I've wondered about that too. One night we were watching some hentai and I'm going like "yeah, that's pretty hot, two chicks going at it," until suddenly one of them sprouts a whopping boner out of her pussy. I gotta admit, it was a bit of a WTF moment, but in the end I decided it was okay. :cool:


    I've used Tor, so I know the feeling. But seeing so many suspicious animes labeled as "normal" with clearly sexualized child-like characters has made me wonder whether it's just a Japanese thing, 'cause it's so incredibly common (albeit usually with some lame explanation like the character is supposedly a thousand-year-old being that has just chosen a child's body as its shape or some other bs excuse to sexualize kids), or if the Japanese are the only ones open about it and that a huge number of men everywhere are actually pedophiles or at the very least ephebophiles? :(

    [rant]Seriously, it makes me ashamed of my sex 'cause that sort of thing doesn't seem nearly as prevalent among women. Sure, some cougars drool after 16-18yo guys, but I think the whole thing is a little different for a myriad of reasons into which I won't go here.
    As an adult, I've been friends with a 15yo girl (might've even been 14 the first time we talked) and I just can't think of her that way without wanting to puke, slit my throat, and gauge out my eyes at the same time. I mean, what's wrong with people? [/rant]
     
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    May I ask, do gay men, on average, go more for the masculine type? Or is that focus, pornography wise, confined to Japan?

    Curious about this one, and would like to ask someone who has lots of... experience with this.;)

    On a side note, Shotacon actually has been targeted towards women before, although I'm sure in a different way then... what you may have seen elsewhere.:(
     
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    Um... I would have to say that "on average" would be too hard to say, given the rather wide range of porn "flavors" available to gay dudes. Twink porn has a vast following. Vast. Twink means... think Justin Beiber. If the B-bag were a porn star he would be the quintessential twink. Young enough to wonder if they are of legal age, thin, no body hair, "pretty"... You get it. ;)

    If I'm'a watch some porn, twink does not work for me. If they look young enough that I question... No. I don't ask for gym-god perfect, but when they're skinny enough that I have to wonder if they did this film because they've not eaten in 5 days... No. You see a lot of all of the aforementioned coming out of Eastern Europe these days. My personal preference is what we call "cubs" in the World of Gay. :oops: Muscly, but not perfectly ripped, and furry. When a cub gets a little older, he becomes a bear. ;)

    This is why the difference between yaoi and bara is important to me, genre-wise. Yaoi is hyper-twink, sometimes to like, a science fiction extreme. If I have to ask who are the boys and who are the girls... No. That doesn't work for me.
     

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