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    Malaysian Jet Shot Down over Ukraine

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by GingerCoffee, Jul 17, 2014.

    Not that there's much to discuss but I thought this video purporting to be the Russian separatists discussing the incident just after they shot the jet down was worth posting. It's eerie to listen to.

     
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    This is what happens when a country like Russia tries to do something without getting their own hands dirty. This just might be the event the finally wake ups the rest of the world that Putin is really a bad guy.

    I've already seen an interview with a journalist that works in Russia that said the news is going to report that it was the Ukrainian forces that shot down the plane while trying to shoot down a plane carrying Putin. It's a joke. Just like the same reporter said that Ukrainian forces crucified a child on a billboard and then drag his mother behind a tank through town... It was reported on Russia One Television and was later proven false. Russia One Television even admitted it was false, but with a retraction that was hardly seen by anyone.
     
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    Someone has already posted side by side pictures of Putin's jet and a Malaysian Airlines jet showing they have similar striping.
     
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    So I wonder which it is, the separatist who confused a propeller driven cargo plane with a passenger JET, or the Ukrainian forces that somehow knew exactly where and what plane Putin was supposed to be on and confused the Malaysian passenger plane with it.

    Putin is an idiot. How does such an evil guy get so much power in a country that is supposed to have national elections?
     
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    Mistaking a cargo plane for a jet at 33,000 feet is just as possible as some complicated conspiracy theory by the Ukrainian government.
     
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    Come on, I'm saying the separatist are either extremely stupid, or they didn't care what they shot down. It's not that difficult to tell the difference between a propeller driven cargo plane and a passenger jet. For one they don't sound remotely the same.

    Now the idea that the Ukrainians blew up the plane thinking it was one with Putin on it is just the craziest idea ever. The plane had just flown over the majority of the Ukraine including close to Kiev where its onboard systems were hitting different air towers. Ukraine knew exactly what plane that was.
     
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    It's pretty simple: democracy doesn't work.

    Ever heard of George W. Bush? Or Adolf Hitler? Or Angela Merkel?
     
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    George Bush isn't the President of the U.S. anymore. Putin couldn't become President anymore because of laws that limited the number of terms someone could serve as Russia's President, but what did he do? He got a buddy elected, got that buddy to get the law changed, then that buddy stepped aside the next election so Putin could get elected again. I'm dumbfounded that stuff like this takes place in a civilized country in this time period we live in. :crazy:
     
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    @Nothingness : I didn't like president Bush, but compare him with Adolf Hitler is nuts and an insult to the USA and their allies
     
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    I don't think he was comparing them so much as pointing out Bush was elected with less than a majority of individual votes.
     
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    Yep, pretty much, that is the theory.
     
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    I didn't compare him to Hitler.

    He was, however, with no doupt an idiot and an asshole. Just a painfully clear and well known example that democracy doesn't work. It doesn't put smart people in power. Much less good people.
     
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    There is no perfect system, but I'd much rather have democracy over a monarchy or any other type of despotism.
     
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    Please don't make me regret not putting this in the debate forum.

    Thanks. :)
     
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    I just read about this news a few minutes ago and my stomach dropped. Each side is denying they fired the missile and blaming the other.
     
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    It's in the Debate Room now.
     
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    Off-Topic: Forgive my ignorance, but what is Merkel doing to Germany that's bad?

    On-Topic: This is bad news. :( Those poor people, I feel for the families of those on that plane. :(
     
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    Oh ye of little faith. ;)
     
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    I've seen her make some remarkably idiotic remarks on tv. I don't exactly remember what it was, but she couldn't point out some basic place on a map. The way she dealt with the economic crisis was detrimental, maybe not to Germany directly, but to other countries... but, in the long run, what's bad for some, ends up slowing global progress...
     
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    Well, the thread already had Hitler and Bush and Putin and Angela Merkel (?) and writingforums.org's usual suspects (including you, @GingerCoffee!), so putting it in the Debate Room was a no-brainer.
     
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    Man, I almost had a heart attack this morning. My parents just went the other way, from Sydney to Amsterdam, and would have been in the area at roughly the same time, if not a little before.

    KLM codeshares with Malaysia. I've flown the exact same route myself on Malaysia Airlines, from SYD to KL to AMS and back again.
     
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    Hey, don't drag me into the mud. I carefully refrained from bringing up John McCain blaming Obama this morning. I could have went that direction.

    Here's some more bad news I just found out, there were several prominent AIDS researchers on the plane.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-plane-victims-include-infants-aids-researchers/
     
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    Yeah, they were heading to a conference in Melbourne. As soon as I saw they were going to KL I knew it was an Aussie bound route.
     
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