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    NSA developing quantum computer

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by thirdwind, Jan 3, 2014.

    I came across this piece today. Looks like the NSA is trying to play God. Using a quantum computer, they could easily look into bank and medical records (among many other things). The good news is that they haven't succeeded yet. Thank God for the laws of physics, huh?

    I suppose I should ask: Do any of you actually support the NSA on this?
     
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    There are several aspects to a story like this. My first thought is that the impetus for creating a quantum computer would be to spy. Not to bring into closer focus the genome or run simulations for drug development to help out those with illnesses or any other human worthy goal -- but instead to nurture the paranoia that has subjugated the upper offices of the world. Fuck me but that's sad.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure it's going to be used for spying. I know there are a few labs around the world researching quantum computing, and their aim is to be able to solve complex problems in a relatively small amount of time. That just goes to show you how technology can be used for both good and bad.
     
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    I don't support the existence of NSA so I can't possibly support anything they do.
     
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    I read an article a few months ago arguing that the NSA is useless agency that just unnecessarily uses up government resources, so you're not the only one thinking this.
     
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    There is some seriously good opportunities for writing fiction exploiting the paranoia that must exist in a place like the NSA.
     
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    I quote from the article which I believe it is a valid point:
    Many people get themselves into a tizzy over things that haven't happened yet and this I believe this is one of those things, but that would bring an end to the debate. So ignore my logic and carry on with the debate.
     
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    Your logic is sensible. However the fact that an agency or agencies exist, that want to manipulate that much data for the single reason of knowing all, is what is worrying.
     
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    They don't just want to use it for spying in general - they want to use it to crack encryption software. They want to see our encrypted information so much they even bribed chip manufacturers to put an "NSA backdoor" in the chips hardware design. Greenwald was right: the NSA's goal is to eliminate personal privacy worldwide.
     
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    I find it interesting how so many normal people in these types of conversations act as if their computer is filled with international secrets.
     
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    So you don't mind the NSA taking a look at everything you do on the internet or on your phone?
     
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    Nope. But that's just me personally. If someone making $40/hr wants to spend the time to look at the dumb stuff I do and say on the Internet, I pity his/her existence.
     
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    And what about them looking at your bank records and medical records? You have no problem with that?
     
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    Thirdwind, the NSA/CSS employs roughly 30,000 people. There are approximately 314,000,000 people in the US. Even if I assume that the NSA is looking through citizens information, and then assume that they are looking for innocuous information to randomly frame or prosecute random citizens for no apparent reason, the odds of them choosing me out of the hundreds of million other law-abiding citizens is almost impossible. I would have better odds winning the PowerBall.

    So no, I don't care.
     
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    My opinion exactly!
     
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    This type of thinking is very dangerous because it's what allows the government to do what they're doing. Forgetting personal freedoms for a second, think of the impact this has on the free press. If you investigate something the government doesn't want you to investigate, they can discredit you or frame you in some way. Do you honestly want to live in a country where the press only reports things the government wants them to report?
     
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    I'm under the belief I already do. Benghazi, anyone?
     
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    And you're OK with that?

    To give another recent example, there was a big chemical spill in West Virgina that contaminated the water supply. Hundreds of thousands of people were left without fresh water. The media hasn't really reported on this at all, though this is obviously a very important issue. The fact that the company involved, Freedom Industries, is a big corporation with lots of support from the government might explain it.
     
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    @thirdwind, can you provide us with a source, please?
     
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    A source talking about the chemical spill, right? Here's an article from NPR.
     
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    The have also made it mandatory starting this year that all new manufactured automobiles sold in the U.S. have to have a 'black box.'

    I would tell you I don't agree with the NSA doing this, but then they would see it and start following everything I say, so I DO SUPPORT this. Did you hear me or should I say it louder into my computer speakers?
     
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    I suspect it's not going to be used that way at all. It'll collect info, archive it, then if a govt official needs some dirt on a rival or an outspoken critic becomes too popular, they just data mine their archive for anything of worth.
     
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    I hope you're wearing your "I love the NSA" shirt because I'm sure they've hacked into your webcam and are watching you right now.
     
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    Actually the NSA has already said differently. They have monitoring stations all across the country where they monitor people's information in order to build lists of people who might be threats to the government. Supporters of Ron Paul have even been put on the list of potential terrorists. It goes even deeper than that.
     
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    It's actually an I Love NASA shirt, but since they got rid of NASA I just put electrical tape over the first 'A.'
     
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