Obama Wins!

Only because the American people voted based off of fear. A lot of people do that they vote off of fear and they vote for someone who is "just like me". And that isn't what you should be looking in a president someone who is just like you, who thinks like you, and who does the things you do. You should be looking for someone who is smarter then you. I want a president that is smarter then me, who isn't like me.
Also American people, most American people, vote based on religious views. And it shouldn't be that way either.
This election was a weird election because all anyone looked as was Mccain is white and Obama is black. And this election had nothing to do with race, it had to do with a man and his views, and what views would be better for this nation. And Obama's views were better for this nation.
Bush didn't do a good job, we should have never went to Iraq. We don't belong in Iraq. And the countless lies Bush gave to the American people, Bush was not a good president.
He was an idiot and his choices affected this nation greatly.

 

Knowing that my business will soon be under financial attack by Obama and Pelosi, I made the difficult decision to reduce our staff and consolidate our operations into a single location. I have been working with my accountant and business attorney for three months in case of this election outcome. I also notified two landlords that in February when my leases end, they will have vacancies to fill because of my business contraction.

Obama consequences:

1) Seven employees out of work.
2) Two landlords (for the past ten years) now have to fill vacancies in a very bad business climate.
3) Suspend three $10,000/year scholarships to local college students due to my pessimism about the future under liberal dictatorship.
4) While my income was substantial, I made large donations to charities. Those are now on hold.
5) My remaining 15 employees have been given pay raises to thank them for taking on more duties. After their pay raises, I am still experiencing a substantial net savings equivalent to laying off five employees.

As far as those who were terminated, it was a foregone conclusion that an Obama/Democrat oligarchy would force me to reduce my business expenses. The decision on who would be terminated started with longevity. I kept every employee with over 10 years of experience, (including a couple who supported Obama) because they have contributed to my success and I appreciate their effort. The second criterion was technical training and licensing. My business requires certain licenses, knowledge and continuing education. After removing those people from consideration, that left eleven employees at risk. Of those, all Obama supporters were terminated. My attorney advised that in an "at-will" employment situation, I could not discriminate based on race or certain other well known protected categories, but there is no protection against termination due to political affiliation or belief. In fact, our elected legislators routinely hire employees ONLY from applicants who a registered to vote in their own party. My action is no different than most Democrat legislators in California.

 

Well that’s complete Bull Crap. So what your now saying is the American people are like Zimbabwe I think not.

The people voted Bush because they had faith in him because he was the right man at that time.

There was certainly no fear in people's votes. So you’re saying someone put a large knife to your hands while holding you down and said vote bush or lose your hands.

One thing I know about the American people and that’s they are certainly not a scarred people.

That’s absolutely Bull Crap.

 

Democracy only works when ALL of the citizens feel that their vote matters. If the USA falls into an oligarchy, in which Democrats become dictators by 51%, then there is the very real possibility of violence by those who become deprived of government. Balance of power is the oil that lubricates the engine of democracy and allows the vast majority of citizens to feel that they have a "say" in their own governance. Without it, we have a dictatorship by Obama, Pelosi and Reed.

Wrey - as far as your derision "the sky is falling", it is unfortunate that you have no sympathy or respect for those who are truly frightened by the prospects of dictatorship by 51%. How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? Imagine if anti-gay, right wing politicians gained control of ALL three branches of government. BTW - I would be JUST as frightened of that possibility as I am of the socialist agenda.

Electoral College - the one good thing about the EC is that it shifts a disproportionate influence to smaller, rural states. Without the EC, our federal government would be completely controlled by California and New York. Of course, the Midwest and Americans "clinging to their guns and religion" would live under a big state dictatorship, so the EC actually empowers those in the minority so that they too can enjoy the representation that democracy promises.

 

I dont know much about American Politics and their people. But im guessing that when theres a war gonig on around the world with them involved (or started, such as this current iraq/Afgan one) that Americans stick by their president and have confidence that things will be sorted or in better hands by the end of the second term.... im wonderign if this is the case, no matter how bad it is/ or the situation of the president themselves.

 

Wow. I'm surprised at the amount of people that are for Obama(Well, not really. He won, I guess it's just wierd since I live in Hickville, Texas) . I, for one have very mixed feelings.

Personally I wouldn't have voted for either.

Here's why I have problems with Obama:

1. Do not take this wrong, I'm not racist or prejudice. But I think, right now, to put some one with a Muslim heritage in office is insane. Do you think that seven months after Pearl Harbor we would've put someone in office with a Japanese heritage? No. So why are we doing it now?

The Radical Muslims (note how I say "radical", not all Muslims think like this) in the Middle East have a goal. It is to literally take over the world and bring about the end times. So, they see us putting in someone with a Muslim descent in office. How are they going to take this? Are they going to take this as a green light to launch total hell in America? Or, heck, maybe they'll back off. Who knows? But, if the Radical Muslims do launch another attack, will Obama have any hesitation about reacting due to his heritage?

I don't know, and it scares me.

2. He is much too liberalist. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I hear it, he either doesn't put his hand over his heart when he says the pledge or he doesn't say it at all. If you are commander in cheif, you should at least say you pledge of allegience. I mean, your pledging yourallegience.

3. I've barely heard of this guy. He comes out of know where with what seems like an unlimited budget for his campaign. He bought several TV channels that do nothing but talk about him. Where is he getting the money?

Now, here's why I don't like McCain.

1. Too old. If he dies, then Palin is in he house. Now she scares me!

2. He changes his mind every few seconds on major opinions. He \'s way too wishy washy.

3. He makes split second decisions that can be for better or worse. You can't do that with a whole country.


Alirght, so despite the fact that my Obama list seems longer than the Mccain list, in my mind they're about the same.

Yes, I would be happy if McCain was president. Like I said, Obama is much too liberal.

But, Obama has won. He played his cards damn well and he's a hell of a speaker. So, congrats Obama. I wish you luck on repairing this country. You are the president, so you have my respect and support now. Go for the gold.

So, lets talk about something else now. The elections done, so no use arguing about it now. Lets find somthing else important to talk about. Does anyone have a list on the most recent counties to allow sale of alcohol?

 

Well I don't like him.

 

I feel the same. But, he's president. So were just gonna have to bite the bullet, hope he pulls us through.

 

... Bad joke

... again. What?

Mmmmkay, that's your business.

No. If that were true the Republicans would win every time them being the group most inclined to protect religious groups, and they obviously don't win every time..

No. The grand king of elections has always been and always will be Economics. FOr a good time McCain was gain ground, and nearly over past Obama in the polls until BAM. Finacial crisis. Obama reacted faster, harder, and with more confidence while McCain seemed to dance around several different ideas in a week and at that point the election was sealed.

You give the voting public too little credit. Those Americans who actually do vote, are very smart (which I why I'm fine with low voter turn out because those who don't vote tend to be completely out of touch with politics to begin with). They don't pick candidates out of "fear" or "religion" by themselves. They'll pick the person they're most comfortable with, and the person they are most comfortable with can only be determined by their criteria, not anyone else'. Voting history tends to show that the candidate strongest in economics and taxes will win, as will the candidate who can best articulate his/her positions. As expected, money wins in the end every time.

 

Obama is not Muslim. He was raised Christian. Check your facts.

 

I would not say that. The Vietnam conflict was only supported by a minority of tyhe American people near the end of the 1960s. The currenst situation in Iraq is pretty close to equally divided at this point. Most Americans are appalled by the losses, and feel like wwe are making no progress, but many still believe that our reasons for being there are just, that it is worthwhile if we can return Iraq to its people with reasonable assurance they will be able to stand against oppression. It was and is driven in the interest of humanitarianism, despite cynics' mutterings that it is all about the oil.

I won't say that no one is making discraceful profits. I have a very low opinion of Cheney and his role in it. But the greatest concern about Iraq was always the loose cannon, Saddam Hussein, who was at the helm. The stability of the entire region and beyond was at risk while he was in power.

 

Heh. Socialism. I love how people throw around that word because they heard it on TV. FYI, there was an actual socialist candidate, and it wasn't Obama.

Obama is going to change things. Well...duh. That's the point. We're not exactly in tip-top shape right now. Something we were doing before wasn't working.

I don't agree with Obama on everything. However, I think that he was the best choice for president. I don't get why the thought of change makes McCain supporters **** themselves in fear. Maybe Obama will screw up. But at least we can say we tried something different. Of course, this seems like getting a finicky child to try sushi.

Oh, and to Table Salt Guy, who said that he's ashamed to be an American today? What the hell is your logic there? We're supposed to be a country of opportunity and diversity and individuality. It seems to me like the election of Barack Obama exemplifies this. What exactly is it that our country stands for that you seem to think is tainted by Obama?

I typically don't discuss politics. But this election really seemed like a no-brainer to me.

 

Fair enough. I really appriactae hearing if from the other side.

Lets hope they get the chance to do things right than. (I was against the whole iraq thing (thought not 100%), but i was a child during the last gulf war, and we know how they just pulled out, and never ended it, leaving them in S/creek). I guess im always paranoid that its always going to repeat itself (though it feels different this time).

 

Yes, he was raised Christian. But if you look closely, I said he had a "Muslim descent". I never said he followed the Muslim faith.

 

It's a credit to the American people that they did not judge him for his heritage/lineage then. Just as they did not judge him for his race, they did not judge him for a family religious heritage.

 

I sure hope this is true. I can appreciate a guy who'll rise up like this guy is despite race, I just sure hope it isn't at the wrong time.

 

The people have spoken. After 8 years of W. and his shoddy presisency, the American people are reacting. The elect the opposite or what they had. When things go down the toilet under the leasership of one party, the chances are greater for the other party to be called in for some change. That is what happened. That is why it was such a landslide. I think it is about time for change. It is time for a Democrat to get in there(the last 8 years with a Rebublican haven't left us in a very good situation, let's mix it up). It is time for someone who can speak without a handler stnading nearby to make sure he doens't embarrass himself. It is time for someone other than a crusty old white dude. It is time to see past the status quo and look to something different. America has spoken. It is time for Obama.

 

The electoral college is important in that without it rural states, rural parts of the country, smaller communities and states would not have an adequate voice in the election. It is a combination of representation...based on population moderated by seats in congress.

People pay little enough attention to places like Wyoming, which while it has lesser population, has large areas of land and resources for example. Presidential candiates would never pay any attention to any community but the large cities and their needs...it'd simply be more effective (cost and time wise) but eliminate the 'voice' of those who do not dwell in them.

Beyond that, straight democracy = mob rule. That's why the USA is a representative republic.

Oh, and by the way, check this out:

President Obama's First Step: Reset Expectations

Wait, Obama now says (in part):

Where's my tax cut?..redistrubuted to me. I still earn way under the moving target that went from $250,000 down to $120,000--depending on the when Obama and his folks were talking.

Why wasn't he talking about this during the election? When asked at the debates twice Obama was asked what would have to be cut or delayed. His answer was he'd streamline the the healthcare records process to save money. Otherwise he'd just have to set his priorities...that was it.

10% unemployment? Rising Interest rates? I remember the Carter years...do any of you? Yep, above 10% unemployment. Home Loan Rates aroud 18%. Fuel shortages. I thought he had answers to move the country forward?

Why delay the tax increases on the wealthy and business owners? Maybe because it would hurt the economy even more? Hmmm. Think there's a deeper message there that wasn't discussed or that he wasn't forced by the media to discuss?

I thought that he had all the answers and was going to fix things. I heard it many times. Yep, it'll be an interesting two years until the next congressional elections.

Terry

 

And get this...he wants to TAKE all our 401K's away from us and invest the money...OUR money... in 3% yield government bonds. He wants to steal our retirement funds and LOAN the money to the government which is exactly what government bonds are doing!

I will cash out my 401 k, pay the taxes and put the money in offshore banks before I will let that bastard steal it from me.

ps I just talke with three of my business clients. They are ALL laying off employees and cutting expenses in expectation of the new and improved government under comrade Obama. I think I'm going to buy that new bumper sticker that came out today..."IMPEACH OBAMA".

 

Dude, he isn't even in office yet. We have no idea how it is going to work out. Give it some time.

 

Time for what? To steal my 401K?

 

He hasn't done it yet. It is a little early for impeachment.

 

I will say it again. I am no fan of Obama, and he is a Democrat in more than just name. I foresee tough times ahead with the Blues so firmly gripping the reins. We can count on higher taxes across the board, and many small to medium businesses will fail.

Still, I am not quite as "doom and gloom" as NaCl is. We have little choice but to hunker down and wait. Impeachment? WAY premature! I think he is reasonably principled, but I just don't agree with those principles.

In the immortal words of Douglas Adams:

DON'T
PANIC​

 

I'm glad Obama got it. My problem necessarily wasn't with McCain as a person, but the way in which he altered his political beliefs and dragged Palin, who I personally view as incapable and incredibly inexperienced, didn't improve my opinion of him. I like Obama as a person and agree with his poltics. Even though he ran a great campaign, I wasn't sure if he was going to win because of his race. I've gotten really tired of all the racist people making comments. Luckily, I saw that the entire country isn't necessarily as discriminative as the poeple in my town.

 

I take comfort in the fact that if things don't go well, the blame shall rest firmly on one party. But I have to agree with Cog, Don't Panic (besides things were going down hill regardless).