Oh my god oh my god! they found god!

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  1. GingerCoffee

    GingerCoffee Web Surfer Girl Contributor

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    No they don't. They grow in the womb. I know that from experience. :p
     
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    Hi,

    If you want the whole debate in a nutshell, from my perspective it's a freaking disgrace with everyone covering themselves in shame.

    From the ID'er's side they've lost their faith. I'm sorry, but if you believe you believe. If you need to find some scientific justification for your belief than you aren't making that leap of faith. And if you then need to twist and distort the science to match the tenats of your belief then by gosh you really should just give up and become an agnostic.

    From the hard atheist's side - people like Dawkins, they've done the exact opposite. Dawkins goes so far beyond disbelief to the positive belief that there is no God, that he is in fact going beyond what science could ever hope to tell him. Ironically, he's found the faith that the ID'ers have lost. Science has become his god. But in reality science has no place in that debate, and it's embarrassing as someone who has actually done a lot of science to have this man standing up there pretending he's a scientist. He left science years ago.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    GingerCoffee Web Surfer Girl Contributor

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    Up to here, it's all good.

    But this part, I need to answer you in a PM since it angers too many people when I post my take on the existence of gods in this forum.
     
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    ManOrAstroMan Magical Space Detective Contributor

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    I heard one person say evolution was basically God's toolbox, which is an interesting way to look at it.
     
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    I'm leaving this one well alone. Going out for an Italian.:D
     
  6. Lewdog

    Lewdog Come ova here and give me kisses! Supporter Contributor

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    Vini Vedi Vici.
     
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    There are many views on offer. Among the religious, there are; young-earth creationist, old-earth creationist, those who believe in limited evolution, and those who do not, etc. These are categories of believes who essentially don't agree with each-other, despite all having access to the same information.

    Many believers struggle. They say to themselves, 'I know the Bible is true, but scientists can't be wrong, well, not that wrong anyway.' If you accept the scientific view of how the universe came into being, Genesis 1 must then be perceived as a pack of lies. This would 'open the flood gates' as any Bible passage might be equally fictional and the Bible could not then be relied upon as accurate, trustworthy or as having a divine origin. Doubt floods in.

    An alternative is to reject the scientific view altogether. 'It must be a conspiracy,' I've heard said. 'Scientists are ganging together to undermine believers. Evolution is nothing but a concocted fantasy, produced by bitter twisted atheists who are jealous of the faithful.' The words 'clutching at straws' crosses the mind (as well as many others that would cause offence).

    To take a middle road, is to struggle with invented, compromise theories, that have no scientific basis or religious tradition. If there is a God, and He did use evolution as a tool, the Bible makes no mention of it. Instead, it leads people to believe that all living creatures suddenly appeared, as we see them today. What does this tell you about the Bible? Cross-examine the theories and consider their knock-on effects, and the whole thing rapidly turns into a muddled mess.

    Eventually, you may reach the stage where you just can't go on struggling any longer. There is a very simple answer on offer, but for many it is an unpalatable one: The Bible was written by people who didn't know what was going on, so they speculated, badly. If you are wise enough to judge the good parts from the bad, you are wise enough to live without it's guidance.
     
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    Vincit qui se vincit.
     
  9. Lewdog

    Lewdog Come ova here and give me kisses! Supporter Contributor

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    I am a quitter?


    Sorry I only took Latin two semesters in college and I forget a lot of it. Since it is the father of all Romance langues it is easy to understand several of them.
     
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    It means He conquers, who conquers himself.
     
  11. Lewdog

    Lewdog Come ova here and give me kisses! Supporter Contributor

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    conquers and quit...so close! lol
     
  12. outsider

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    I had it tattooed on my inner forearm on my thirtieth birthday as a present to myself (there weren't many other gifts forthcoming from other quarters ;)) as a visible prompt and reminder to fight my prominent self doubt. I'm a writer, as are you, I'm sure you can relate.:)
    E.T.A: It also felt quite contextually relevant.
     
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    I like another version best: Vini, vedi, vini. :D
     
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    Lewdog Come ova here and give me kisses! Supporter Contributor

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    When I do that I seem to always make a mess so I stopped.
     
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    <------------ is scandalized.
     
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    Better than being caramelized.
     
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    "Me and my brother were talking to each other
    'Bout what makes a man a man
    Was it brain or brawn, or the month you were born
    We just couldn't understand

    Our old man didn't like our appearance
    He said that only women wear long hair

    So me and my brother borrowed money from Mother
    We knew what we had to do
    We went downstairs, past the barber and gymnasium
    And got our arms tattooed

    Welcome to my life, tattoo
    I'm a man now, thanks to you
    I expect I'll regret you
    But the skin graft man won't get you
    You'l be there when I die
    Tattoo"

    Tattoo by the Who
     
  18. outsider

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    Um, thanks. I think.

    I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
    And for just that one moment I could be you
    Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
    Then you'd know what a drag it is to see you


    Positively 4th Street
    Bob Dylan

     
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    Sorry, Tattoo always comes to my mind when tattoos are discussed.
     
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    Hi,

    I prefer Vini Vedi Visa - I came, I saw, I did a little shopping!

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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    "Hey, Jesus you can come out from behind the couch now!" "Jesus?" "Damn, anybody have any good ideas of how to get rid of a 2000 year old Son of God?" :p
     
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    It was originally a joke, but it is a real religion. My friend was screwing around on their website and paid $5 for a certificate with his brother's credit card lmfao.
     

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