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    Or and nor

    Discussion in 'Word Mechanics' started by OurJud, Aug 19, 2015.

    I know that 'nor' follows a 'neither', but does 'nor' always follow a negative, even if 'neither' isn't part of the sentence, or is it not that simple?

    For example, the negative 'not' in the sentence, makes me ask if I should follow it with 'nor' or 'or'.

    I pulled away, indistinctly heading for town until I realised we'd not even discussed route or destination.

    I pulled away, indistinctly heading for town until I realised we'd not even discussed route nor destination.

    'Nor' doesn't sound right out of the mouth, but I'm unsure.
     
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    I think not even ==> neither and therefore nor. It feels strange because you have worded it hmmmmm too "efficiently"?

    I pulled away, indistinctly heading for town until I realised we'd not discussed the route or the destination.

    perhaps?

    Yeah reading it out loud it's OR now - but only coz it's worded ugly.
     
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    Yes, much better! Will you be my editor, please?
     
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    Wait.

    Logically NOT (A or B) == NOT A and NOT B

    so:

    NOT (the route or the destination) == neither (not) the route (and) nor (not) the destination.

    Therefor I would go with OR using your NOT structure. The structure which I dislike.

    If in doubt, rewrite :p
     
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    ie

    I pulled away, indistinctly heading for town until I realised we'd not discussed (the route or the destination). NOT (A or B)

    I pulled away, indistinctly heading for town until I realised we'd discussed neither the route (and) nor the destination. NOT A (and) NOT B

    I believe these are the correct forms, but prefer the use of the neither version as it feels more natural or something. Until I read it out loud. Or is gooderer then.
     
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    This is how I wrote it first (without the two instances of 'the'), but then thought it sounded a bit 'academic'. I don't think any 'average Joe' would say that line in such a way, would they?
     
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    I think in first-person it's important to keep narrative style consistent with dialogue, as they're the same person.
     
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    Agreed. The "or" version does feel more natural saying them both out loud.

    I would also lean towards "we hadn't discussed" vs "we'd not discussed", but that may be cultural.
     
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    Yes agreed.
     
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    Cheers - I'll suss it. There's a ton of different ways I can get exactly the same info across. Must stop getting bogged down with stupid trivialities like this.
     
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    It's 'or' and it's a common mistake to use 'nor' without 'neither'.
     
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    There is an easy trick to figuring this out but I totally forget it right now. I can't seem to get my mind off tacos.
     
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