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    Oxford Univ. Press bans pig, pork, and sausage references

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    If this changes their fine Classic Fiction publications in any way I'll be very upset.
     
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    New version of Animal Farm coming, featuring "Siberian hamsters" instead of swine.
     
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    Charlotte's Web now has a rabbit stepping in for pig.
     
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    Oh god, that's my idea of madness. :(
     
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    Warner Bros. to announce new cartoons featuring Porky Platypus (sorry Perry, you're out).
     
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    Actually, It's P. Platypus.
    They never state his first name in case anyone gets offended by the adjective of being porcine.
     
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    Isn't the Mirror a tabloid? I don't find anything about this in major news media, nor can I find anything about it on the Oxford web site. The Daily Mail picked up the story. They aren't exactly known for good reporting either.
     
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    Its from the Daily Mail? And we are actually having this discussion as if there is the remotest possibility it is based in fact?
     
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    The link in the Mirror links to it's own story. :rolleyes:

    They claim someone was supposedly told this:
    Notice in this part they imply the OUP responded to their inquiries. But in reality, this is just an excerpt from statement about editorial guidelines on the website.
    A lesson in misleading readers is to be had here.

    But now we have the Guardian and other news services picking up on the story.

    The Guardian article
    It appears the issue is not having stories about eating pork, not 'don't mention pigs'.
    A bit more clarity can be found in the Guardian article:
    Nothing to see here folks, move along. ;)

    On another note from the Guardian article, this is bizarre:
    That school books are highly biased by 'community standards' is nothing new. Maybe this will add a little light but I doubt anything will change. We've had this problem in the US forever. Textbook publishers are influenced by their biggest market, Texas, which means the rest of the country gets textbooks heavily influenced by right wing Christian beliefs, especially history books.

    The John Birchers were very big on insisting all school texts in the US maintain the US as infallible and superior in any mention. @chicagoliz may remember that from the book she recommended to me written by a woman who grew up with John Bircher parents.
     
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    Isn't it a wilful misunderstanding of some educational guidelines for tabloid purposes?

    Someone at OUP has typed to somebody else 'if you're teaching Malay kids English don't use bacon as your letter B because they won't know what you're talking about.'

    Or similar detective agency...
     
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    I'm trying to find the Jim Naughtie reading of the guidelines from OUP and it's not readily found. Here are all the hits on the BBC - Radio 4 - Today site for Naughtie and most of them are old. Perhaps we have to wait for the more recent podcasts, or maybe this segment is just not available.
     
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    Here are the podcasts of the show. Today's is up, but it's three hours long: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj9z/episodes/player

    The story has since been picked up by a number of news outlets, but no one specifies whether it was today's episode, and there is no timestamp to give an idea where in the episode it would be.
     
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    I really don't understand this at all. Halal eating says that pork is unclean, but there's nothing about raising/touching/seeing/reading pork or pork products. The idea that a Muslim will go to hell for touching pig products is entirely a western invention and a pretty offensive one at that. In fact several clerics have made it clear that a Muslim practicing halal should eat pig products rather then starve.
     
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    Uh, yeah, did you miss my post? :p

    But thanks for the link to the program. :D
     
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    This doesn't even make any sense. I've never heard of any Jews (or Muslims, for that matter), being offended or outraged just because a book talks about pigs or pork products. And there does not appear to be any links in the stories that any Jewish or Muslim groups or representatives have made such a claim.

    The censorship in the US stems from crazy people who impose their own values about what offends them onto publishers. Asinine as that is, it does not even appear that this has happened in this case. It seems to be someone who is afraid to offend, but has no basis for figuring out what might actually be offensive.
     
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    The reason it doesn't make sense is the tabloids changed the charges to fit their business model: sensation sells. The Guardian gives a bit less distorted report of what the editorial guidelines actually are.

    The editorial guidelines, from what I gather so far, merely remind authors that when writing some text intended for certain populations, (school kids, for example), keep in mind there are some social/cultural issues to consider. Write your texts with other cultures in mind.

    This is no different from Texas parents pressuring publishers to not include gay couples in their texts because some kids are taught by their parents gay couples are sinners. It's probably less controversial. Don't use an example of the Smith family sitting down to pork chops when describing family cohesiveness.

    There could be some legitimate issues. For example, leaving out pig farms when describing modern farming would be problematic. But I don't see that is what the guideline actually says. Let's take a look at the actual editorial guidelines before assuming the worst.
     
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    OUP - Guidelines for Author Submissions makes no mention of pork.

    Their Authors Guidebook makes no mention of pork.

    Until I see the full context of the sentence(s) in the letter to the author, I remain skeptical we are getting an honest picture.
     
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    Somebody being a little bit Naughtie?
     
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    I don't find any of this humourous in the slightest. Surely one little piggy will make it to market??

    Frys'is Bacon
     
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    ok I am going out to buy some more halal wine.
     
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