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    Pope Francis' Christianity vs Phil Robertson's Christianity

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by GingerCoffee, Dec 25, 2013.

    The GQ interview: What the Duck?
    Robertson from page 2:
    He also said blacks were happier (page 1)
    Consider which Biblical and political issues Robertson felt were the most important to discuss.


    The Pope's September message:
    Many right wingers (especially on Fox News and on the stock market channel, CNBC) have been ranting that Pope Frances is a communist. The contrast in what some Christians (I've neither said nor intended to include all Christians) claim to be about and what their own words say vs what this Christian Pope's words and actions say is striking.

    If I had to say who I thought which is these two (and their supporters/followers) strayed furthest away from Jesus' teachings, I'm sure people here know what my answer would be.
     
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    Are you obsessed with homosexuality or shit-stirring?

    It's Christmas - lighten up - or light up, I know where you can get some good shit man...
     
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    What I find important here is that he has made a clear distinction between what is the concept of faith and what are artifacts of man.
     
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    anyone know why I got an email alert to this thread?
     
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    Nope....o_O
     
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    Pope Francis has done a lot more for a positive image of Christianity than Robertson has, that's for sure.
     
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    Pope Francis is by far one of the best people I have gotten to be on this earth with.
    This serves as an example!
    Some people, (including actual Christians), see Christianity as just "anti abortion/gay marriage" but it's not. It's about prayer and devotion and helping people.
     
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    On a random note,
    1.) my theology teacher often brings in speeches of Pope Francis and reads them to us.
    2.) whenever someone who doesn't like Christians/Catholics is ranting about it, and you talk about Pope Francis, it gets them to shut up.
     
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    I think he sets an excellent example for a teacher to be citing.
    So why do you suppose so many Conservative Christians in the US are calling the Pope a communist?
     
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    What is the difference in what he teaches about homosexuality, and what Phil Robertson teaches? The only difference is that he has to explain the beliefs of the Catholic church, yet they are one in the same. You don't hate the person, you preach against the act of 'sin.' As I posted in another thread, and was proclaimed by the Vatican, all homosexuals are to be embraced with love, and Bishops may even be openly gay, as long as, they do not engage in homosexual sex.

    Like I said, exactly what Phil Robertson said.
     
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    I know! It really does teach more than the textbook.
    They don't like Catholics?
     
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    There were no similar comments about Pope Ratzinger.
     
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    ...because many of his comments can be viewed as socialist? It has nothing to do with his religious practices and comments. He has however made some comments that some have seen as anti-democratic.
     
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    Your point? And he is referred to in actual terms as Pope Benedict the sixteenth, not Pope Ratzinger.
     
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    HuffPo put some quotes from each side by side. It's not clear where it originated, it's bouncing around the Internet echo chamber in quite a few places. Maybe it will help you see the difference so many other people easily see.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/20/phil-robertson-pope-francis_n_4481047.html
     
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    Sorry, I'm used to calling him Pope Ratzy. He's a whole other can of worms that would not be a good idea to open in this forum.
     
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    I need lunch before I can answer these.
     
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    I don't need to look at what someone else said, as I can think for myself and it is a simple premise. What I want to know is, why did you label it as hypocrisy when Phil Robertson said it, but when it comes from the Pope and the Catholic church it is acceptable?
     
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    M'kay, I was just giving you an FYI.
    You haven't had lunch yet? I'm helping make dinner! (To be fair, I live in NJ, you probably live on the west coast.)
     
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    Because they are fucking idiots who do not understand what Communism is? :p
     
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    It's actually what I said earlier, but I wasn't exact enough in my statement. He had made comments that were pro-socialist and were against capitalism which is usually a derivative of democracy. They believed that with his socialist beliefs, that he must be leaking his pro-communist views.
     
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    Socialism/Communism is not the exact opposite of Capitalism, it's an alternative to it. Just because someone has leftist/collectivist politics, that doesn't make them a Socialist. People often fail to understand that Socialism is a very specific economic model that places collectivized ownership of industry and modes of production. Essentially the workers in a factory on that factory because they work there, and they produce the goods to be sold. There is a slight overlap here with Communism, and in old theories (like, say, Marxism) Socialism was the first step on the road to a Communist utopia, but as far as I'm aware the Pope has never made any comments about workers control of industry or claimed he is a Socialist. Can you quote me any?
     
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    - Pope Francis

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/editorial-pope-francis-anti-capitalism-message-resonates/article_cca0c9fa-4d74-5150-b8b1-0b3c7f1ad1c8.html


    - Pope Francis

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/17049-pope-francis-denounces-market-based-capitalism
     
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    It's an uneasy alliance between Conservative Christians and other religions -- Catholics, Mormons and Ultra-Orthodox Jews. They stand together insofar as they share certain common goals, but they're not a solid block, and certain groups of Conservative Christians are very quick to call out even other groups of Christians as being ungodly or insufficiently pious. Remember, there are certain groups of Christians who believe the Pope is literally the antichrist. "Communist" is a convenient shorthand from back in the day when anti-Communism was meant to deride the godlessness of "Communist" countries, more so than the actual philosophy of communism.
     
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