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    Sex!

    Discussion in 'Erotica' started by vinkersole, Feb 7, 2010.

    Ok, so i'm writing my first novel and it will contain sex, nudity, swearing and all that 'adult' kind of stuff...

    Is it something that you would read/enjoy? But then, who doesn't enjoy sex, right? lol!
     
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    I enjoy a good sex scene just as much as everyone else but it bothers me when some authors just drag it out and go on and on. We get it. Hot sex. Besides, sometimes its better to leave some details to the imagination. (Laurell K. Hamilton is guilty of this. I had to stop reading her Anita Blake series after book nine or so because there was less plot and more weird, kinky sex with every book. Which would have been fine if that's what I was reading them for. It wasn't. It was also completely out of character for the protagonist, but that's a completely different issue.) So I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't over do it unless you're actually writing erotica.
     
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    It depends on the story and your writing ability, among other things...obviously people read about sex and "adult stuff", and I'd like to think that for most people its not a big deal. So worry less abut the specific content of your story (at least as far as these sorts of issues go) and more about how it works in your writing.
     
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    A little goes a long way with this sort of thing. Like InkDream said, if you overdo it, you'll just put your reader off.

    Not to mention, that you should only include that sort of thing because it belongs in the story, not just for the sake of it.
     
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    Yes, indeed. My plot is about a couple, she moves for work, has an affair with a woman, he finds out... other stuff, but i don't want to give it away!

    Anyway, i asked because i didn't want people to read the novel then feel like i'd written too much detail... i mean, i don't write about the sex for pages and pages... a paragraph here... a couple of chapters later, another sex scene... but apart from that, i prefer to be writing a novel and not erotica. a whole book of sex i just couldn't do! haha.

    thank-you so much for the tips... Is this sort of thing acceptable?:
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    Cheers!
     
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    Well it made me cringe, to be honest, but then I don't read that sort of thing anyway. You should probably wait for someone with more experience in the genre to come along, rather than trusting to my rather uneducated opinion :p
     
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    lol, ok then. It's still in editing mode so that's not final by far... but i'm glad you said how you felt about it.. if you cringe then maybe a LOT of other people will too...
     
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    Three rules:

    1) Don't make it last too long - it's not a good thing in writing
    2) Don't use too much flowery language - it makes you look like a thirteen-year-old writing about what he saw his older sister doing in the shower
    3) Don't tell your reader everything. They may not be as experienced as most writers, but they know what we're talking about

    As for whether I'd read it, if it's good and fits in with the plot, then there's no reason why I wouldn't ;)
     
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    Good rules. Love it. Thanks heaps to everyone for positive feedback!
    And don't worry... my language is no-where near "flowery" lol!
     
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    Is it erotica, romance, or other? That is very important when considering these things.
    When you tell me I'll post some links that could help.
     
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    There is also something to be said about the attractiveness of the people being described. If they are people I wouldn't want to ever imagine doing it, I'll definitely not want to read about it either.
     
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    I feel like attractiveness is relative. I would simply not put too much emphasis on objective statements about attractiveness but stick to how the characters see each other.

    Also, no matter how many sex scenes you toss in, nobody will want to read it if the plot is weak and the characters paper thin. You need real people to populate your story before you need sex scenes. They will have no power whatsoever if your characters are unreaslistic, annoying, or without flaws. I would focus on characterization first and sex second. Also, any sex scenes have to have definite purpose, not just be there to titilate the reader. They must advance the plot or aid in characterizing your story people.
     
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    This is pretty much the only absolute RULE for writing... well, anything. If something doesn't serve a purpose then it shouldn't be there.
     
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    Hi all,
    Well, it is a novel about adultery, love, questioning ones sexuality... my characters are a couple who are in love, have been together since high school and the female is looking to forward her career, but has to move to New York to do so... She moves, has an affair with another woman and her husband finds out... there is a twist to the story which I don't want to say what it is....

    the couple are attractive, the female involved with the other woman is attractive also. Sex is pretty much needed in my story. Having said that though, i don't go on about the sex for pages and pages and sex is secondary to the woman questioning her sexuality. There is more in the plot about whether it is even what she wants, but yes, sex still plays a part.

    I would love those links if you have them also. Like I said, this is my first novel that i'm hoping to turn in to a part of a series, but we'll see how we go :)

    Thanks again everyone :)
     
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    Ok. That definitely sounds like light erotica, or very hard romance.
    here is a link to a thread on another writing board.

    http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139075 This is about how to write erotica. Lots of useful info for first time erotica writers, and links to blogs also on the topic. It also has some advice on romance, and the links within it can also help with that.

    Good luck.
     
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    Ask yourself what is the purpose of this story you are writing?

    Is it a story with sex, or is it sex with a story?

    Either answer is fine. Just know what you are about when you set pen to paper.

    Asking if sex is interesting in a story is like asking whether space ships, or wizards, or tragedies, or mysteries, or cowboys, or (fill in the blank) is interesting in a story. It depends on who wants to read.

    The bookstore has sections for all of those I have just mentioned, no? So there is an interest in all of them, yes? Yes. But the same interests do not interest all people.

    Now, if this story of yours is bow-chica-wow-wow, then know it. Accept it. Own it. There's nothing wrong with bow-chica-wow-wow. Go to any book sellers web page and check out how many titles are under their Erotica section.

    I know, I know. "EEEeeewwww! Grody! Stop!"

    Sorry, folks, but let's be real for just a minute. Bow-chica-wow-wow has a MASSIVE AUDIENCE. Yes, yes, I've broken the rules. We don't mention this paradigm. Fine. I am the rule breaker.

    The fact of the matter is that it is true. We titter and laugh when we see bonobos in science programming because they seem obsessed with sex. Whatever. Compared to humans, bonobos are Carmelite Nuns.

    Now, *pushes soapbox over to the side* this forum is not the venue to truly explore this kind of writing, but there are many forums on the web which cater to the writer wishing to explore this side of literature. They go from vanilla bland to the hardest of hard core because there is an audience for vanilla bland and there is an audience for the hardest of hard core.

    Find the one that has the right "ambience" you are looking for and chat with the folks.
     
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    Ummm...it depends on the quality of writing and the plot. It's not a question of content, rather a matter of quality writing and storyline that would interest me.
     
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    Sex is a prim ingredient for some genres. Look at horror. How many monsters or killers have snuck up and murdered a grappling couple?

    Stephen King wrote a great short story with the action taking place on a raft. He did a good job of using those elements.

    Fantasy, on the other hand, rarely utilizes a sex scene. Though Goodkind did an amazing job of working it into the plot, which he twisted.
     
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    I was reading through these responses and didn't see anything corresponding with my initial, knee-jerk reaction ... until I came to NaCl.
    It doesn't matter so much WHAT you are writing as long as you do it well. Ideally, you have good quality writing and good subject. If you are a skilled writer (or even, perhaps, a little less skilled but diligent to your task), you should be able to tackle almost any subject and weave it into a good story.

    People sometimes ask me, since I am a writer, what do I like to read. I used to try to find a particular category that interests me but, then I realized, what I like to read is anythiing that is really well-written, fiction or non-fiction, regardless of genre. That still holds true. Write a good story. Create a believable and seductive plotline and chain of events (which is to say it draws your reader in). Birth honest, believable 98.6 characters. Then make their behavior true to them for the audience. THAT is what will make people want to read - not whether or not they have sex with s/o new on every other page.
     
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    Is sex actually needed? there are very few cases where this stands, and most of the time sex seems to be included simply to try and sell something as adult, this doesnlt mean you can;t deal with the themse, but do you have to actually see the sex? Take a look at "closer for instance" ok so the film may have been a bit graphic in places, but the play itself is written so that there are no sexual scenes at all, yes it is spoken about due to the nature of the play, but there are no actual scenes of this and it doesn;t ruin the play in anyway. always be carefule when writign something liek this as unless you plan on writing erotica it will always run the risk of being percieved as too much and pornographic
     
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    As much as i totally disagree with The Raft comment (and no, I'm not complaining about him just to do so), I have to completely agree with the Goodkind comment. They are well implemented and quite concise. That's about the best your going to do with a sex scene. I've read some of these longer scenes from other stories, and I believe they just take away from the book itself. There is 'adult,' and then there is switching genres; pick your path carefully.
     

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