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    Too much sex?

    Discussion in 'General Writing' started by Hubardo, Aug 9, 2015.

    I want there to be lots of raunchy sex bordering on pornography in my WIP. Thinking in marketing terms out of curiosity, can this limit readership? Genre-wise it'd probably be cli-fi political action thriller or something (god that sounds terrible), but with the too hot for the kitchen sex scenes, does that shift the genre elsewhere? I mean, erotica has grace. What I just squeezed out of my pen this evening would be more regarded as smut. It fits into plot and story and character development so it makes sense, but it's probably unnecessary to be so graphic.

    Yeah yeah, I know the advice to not think in genre and marketing. Just write a good story and figure out the rest later. But still I'm curious. Have you ever found smut quality scenes in books where you didn't quite expect it? And if so, please pass the titles along. ;)
     
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    You're wondering if a sci-fi political thriller erotica novel has a niche market?


    Yes. Yes it does. Lol.

    Luckily for you, I'd totally read it. Sounds way more interesting than regular erotica.
     
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    Also, Game of Thrones is your answer.
     
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    Kinda like this?

     
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    Egg. Zakly.
     
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    Apart from being main SM and not vanilla sex, that is exactly the kind of novels I write under the pen name V.W. Singer. If you're interested to know more you can find my author page on Goodreads.
     
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    :superlaugh:

    One undeniable fact is that shagging sells. Ninety percent of people love the smut, and the other ten percent are lying fuckers.

    :superyesh::supergrin:
     
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    My stories are like an apartment from the 70's. Wall to wall shag carpeting. ;)
     
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    And despite what a lot of people say or imply, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that! Why should shagging be of less importance or significance than "love" or making money? :)

    And for those who say that it requires no talent and that anybody could do it, I would say, put your money where your mouth is. Write a good (not best) selling piece of "porn" first. Then we'll talk.
     
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    Sex, is not easy to write.

    Seriously, I don't care what anyone else says, sex, be it porn, sensual, BDSM or a quick bunk up in the back of a car, is bloody difficult to write and get right!!!
     
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    Those who claim that it is easy and needs no talent invariably have never tried doing it themselves. Sex is the most primal, and yet complex interpersonal interaction that exists, both physically, emotionally, and in terms of simply knowing what to do. Describing all of it without turning it into a lecture by Freud is a real challenge.
     
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    Your good reads blurb has a spelling mistake :p "suite" should be "suit".

    Haven't read anyone anywhere on this forum say any genre is easy -- not sure why you're getting defensive off the bat (twice in a row!!?). Posters here are pretty strongly aware of how challenging finishing a novel in any genre is. An interesting point to belabor.
     
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    I think the scene I wrote last night was pretty good. It was in a bathroom stall. The MC, female, shared inner monologue on how repulsed she was and overjoyed that she was 'winning' this guy to later get him to attempt an assassination. She is great at faking, and has a blowjob blackbelt. Someone is peeing in the stall next-door so they have to be quiet. All kinds of layers and conflict just in one scene. Scene ends and moves on to another character masturbating at work. Today's going to be a good day.
     
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    I'm agreeing with you ...
     
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    It is a general attitude that "porn" is unworthy of being considered "real writing". Interestingly, this attitude is even more prevalent amongst those who write "erotica" or "erotic romance". They will come up with the most convoluted definitions to differentiate what they write from "porn" which will inevitably be somehow lacking in art, or skill or any other redeeming quality.
     
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    I know :)
     
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    It's the difference between some people liking ... forget that - I was about to write smut. I'm sure you know what I mean.
     
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    Like the difference between:

    The sun set.

    The dying ball of fire disappeared behind the leafy trees on the ridge of the mountain, swiftly followed by the last of the day's light.

    Damn, that bugger set so fricken fast, I missed it!
     
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    Everyone enjoys different things, of course, and I'm certainly not suggesting anything here - it's merely my point of view.

    When I was in my teens, I read a book that had a fairly graphic sex scene in it... and I read that scene at least a dozen times. Now, however, such a scene would do nothing for me, except make me ask, 'Why am I being told this? I don't want, or need, to know the ins and out of this couple's shag. Just fade out and get on with the damn story.'
     
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    As a reader I'd rather be warned ahead of time what I'm getting into. There's nothing worse than picking up a book that's described as hot & sexy and there is only one sex scene that's less than three lines, except maybe a book that's described as 'romantic' but turns out to be trashy. Actually it could be any book that veils it's real core.

    As long as you give the reader an honest heads up that's all that matters. Than they can decide if it's something they'd like to read. You'd also have a better time of grabbing an audience and no one will feel tricked and complain.
     
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    You should read Portnoy's Complaint by Philip Roth; that's not considered as romance or erotica, but it's full of smut.

    Roth is a master at work as well.
     
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    I've read Portney's Complaint back when I was 18 - it was quite good if I recall. I had a whole list I worked through on banned books - The Ginger Man, Lolita, Portney's Complaint, anything by Henry Miller - lol. Great writers. I haven't come across many authors nowadays that manages to balance an edginess and style like they do.
     
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    I did my final year presentation in my English Literature class at college on Portnoy's Complaint. The class was constructed of two guys (the teacher and me) and the rest being girls. It was quite an amusing experience to say the least. :supergrin:
     
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    Not everyone likes to read:

    She took his hand and undressed him with her eyes. The next morning, over coffee and toast ...
     
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