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    Twitter / Internet Shaming

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by Steerpike, Feb 13, 2015.

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    And yet, there's a side of me that says that we know this kind of thing can happen on Twitter and other mass-share media services, so why would people post such things? The capacity is there for the global zeitgeist to pick up on your dumb little tweet and go insane with it. And twitter behavior is mob behavior, lets not kid ourselves. Any ideals of human behavior we might smugly hold to our bosoms are right out the door. Humans, en masse, are ugly. We are. No other creature has our capacity for ugliness. We are still the exact same model that's been in production since public executions were a fun way to pass the afternoon. And think about it, isn't that exactly what happened to Justine? It was a public execution. So, how is this surprising?

    ETA: Also, just gonna' throw this out there, but this new trend, this push-back against [fill in the behavior of choice or de jour]-shaming is just an expression of wanting to be unaccountable, which is understandable. None of us really wants to be held to account for our actions, but, sometimes our actions exact a cost and sometimes we make the mistake of not checking the sticker price on that given action before rolling it off the lot.
     
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    Sometimes I think it's not really completely unjustified. I mean, this is 2015, people should by now be well-aware of the risks involved with posting jokes onto the internet that have even the hint of potential racism. Even (or is that especially?) if you didn't mean it as anything more than a joke.

    I mean, come on, anyone remembers what happened to that Jessie Slaughter kid? Adults targeted her for continual abuse because of a few very dumb YouTube videos and online comments - ended in the literal disintegration of her family life as her father beat her on camera because of the stress of the modern 'trolling culture'. How many kids die each year, killing themselves because of constant online harassment and cyber bullying? And adults are not immune from this either - very far from it.

    It's one of the reasons I refuse to ever visit 4chan - the site honestly scares me.
     
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    Of course they're not. Adults are the same people as kids, just in older bodies. ;) I think secretly many love the thrill of the possibility. Like playing lotto. The likelihood of winning is slim, but if you do... Wowzers! Everyone wants to be famous enough for the world to chastise us for our limo-exiting twat shot. Everyone wants a piece of that Paris Hilton whore-fame. Few would admit to such things in public, but we all do. I know it lives in me. It's there. I keep it under control, but it's there. We all talk about this as a problem, like heroin, such a problem, as Mother ties us off and, yeah heroin is a serious problem, but... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, that's good. Bye-bye...
     
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    Hey, you are responsible for your own actions. If you want to post something on social media, knowing that it would get seen by many, that can cause misunderstandings, then you have to accept the consequences of that. Trying to justify it with something like, "I was not thinking," or "it was just a joke," only shows what an insensitive person you are.

    Sorry, no pity.

    Actually, it also bothers me more that people seemingly can easily unite over negative things than they can over good things.
     
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    The people who responded with a mob mentality are worse human beings than the person who sent the original tweet. Trying to shift all of the responsibility to the one person and absolving everyone who replied, as though they're not also social media users who are also responsible for what they do, makes no sense.
     
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    I guess white straight males aren't the only bad guys after all :D :D :D
     
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    "Hold people accountable" often seems to be code for "the person who started it is the only one at fault". Which is almost the exact opposite of what accountability is, when you think about it.
     
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    Yeah, that was basically what @Nilfiry was saying. As though all those who responded and turned this into what it was were mindless automatons with no agency of their own.
     
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    Most people just react, so your description would be correct.
     
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    Yeah, that's what people do, but it isn't an excuse for doing it :)
     
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    It's not about blame-shifting, at least not to me. To me it's about having an expectation that is correct to the variables involved. Another example: Richard goes to Vegas on the weekend with the boys. Having a great time. It's pretty innocent because these guys are true to their ladies. No shenanigans of that sort. Richard has a few too many and [period of lost time] Richard goes to the ATM in the morning to pull a twenty for breakfast in the hopes of fighting this massive hangover he has. The account is overdrawn.

    Who's to blame, Richard or the casino?
     
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    I don't see that as an analogous situation. The casino didn't do anything, apart from exist. When these multitudes harassed this person on twitter, each person made a conscious result to do so, and from everything I saw many were entirely happy with the end result. Yes, human nature is pretty abominable, but does the fact that it is predictably abominable excuse it from being so when something like this happens?
     
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    I think asking if it's excusable is a question that misses its own point. It's like a crocodile lamenting it's own predatory nature. It is what is. We can't pretend or idealize away this fact. It is part of our nature. We can accept or we can hide from it and allow it to roam without control. I prefer accepting it, as ugly as it is. Pretending it's not there - pretending we're not what we are - is the core of so many ills.
     
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    Twitter IS the casino. That woman's comment was pretty bad and pretty stupid. She obviously wasn't thinking at all. She blurted the first bit of nonsense that came to her mind and thought nothing of it. It was easy. A couple of virtual letters on her smart phone. She didn't think about the repercussions.

    The "mob" is essentially the same. It takes no effort to post a cruel response to her, and no one needs to think of the repercussions it may have on her. Quite frankly, I don't see how this mob is any worse than the mob that attacked poor Dr Matt Taylor (except he was innocent and an important scientist who had his achievement belittled and had to work very hard to get to the point where he would even be noticed wearing a shirt like that ).


    Twitter is the real bad guy here.
     
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    @123456789 from the story, it looks like she actually did think about it. But she didn't think about how impossible it was for people to know what she was thinking when she sent it.
     
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    I think it is true that it is part of our nature. I'm not sure that it is impossible to transcend it. Do you think we're that bound by our nature? Will we always be?
     
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    I got to disagree with you there. Stop and think. It's that simple. The leader of your country says that a certain group of people are the enemy and we must lock away all of them in special neighborhoods. Stop and think. There's a group of men surrounding a crying girl in a torn dress. Stop and think. Someone gives you an electrical shock button and tells you to use it on fake prisoners. Stop and think !

    If no one stopped and thought, we'd all still be hopping around on all fours. If everyone stopped and thought now(instead of just a select few) ALL of our problems would be solved, from war to world hunger to exploitation of the masses.

    In fact, I think mans inability to stop and think in complicated situations is his biggest downfall.
     
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    What exactly was she thinking? What she wrote looks extremely racist to me
     
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    It's in the article...
     
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    I think we can transcend it, but we aren't, as a rule, willing to do the one thing we need to do to make that happen. We have to accept ourselves as the naked apes, acting in a pack structure, overpopulated to plague proportions (given our individual land cost), that we are. When we can accept that humility and get rid of the lies of divinity and the pretense that we don't all have a Shadow, then maybe, yes, just maybe.
     
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    All of these are examples of individual behavior save for maybe the first one and that one has happened more than once in human history. Humans in a group are not the same as individual humans. Not at all.
     
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    Yeah sorry that's BS. It's offensive to joke about a major plight in another country.
     
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    At the end of the day you only control what you do. Just because everyone else is doing something doesn't mean you should to (forgive me for the exetremely unoriginal statement but it applies.) stop and think can and should, especially should, be applied in group situations.
     
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    I don't know. Makes more sense to me than a literal reading, though there was no way to know it at the time.
     
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