I was just in a debate with a friend over whether or not the raising of calves for veal is inherently cruel and should be banned or whether it is simply how to go about getting a tender, tasty piece of meat. Veal is baby or young cattle meat. There are several ways of raising veal cows. Traditionally it involves crating the calf for its entire life and restricting it's diet to only milk products. Criticism with veal crates revolves around the facts that the veal calves are highly restricted in movement, have unsuitable flooring, spend their entire lives indoors, experience prolonged sensory, social, and exploratory deprivation, and are more susceptible to high amounts of stress and disease.[ I have heard similar concerns over Foie Gras.Geese are force fed or Gavaged. Gavage-based foie gras production is controversial, due to the force feeding procedure and the possible health consequences of an enlarged liver that could be faced by the duck or goose. A number of countries and other jurisdictions have laws against force feeding or the sale of foie gras. There are some people are groups who are against all factory farms (high yield often indoor facilities with a lot of animals in a small space) such as egg farms which house thousands of chickens together in cages. While this is not a vegetarianism thread per se, I am a vegetarian because I dislike the treatment that most animals in the meat industry receive. I can't conceive of a humane way to kill something. But I am the minority. What I would like to know is, where do you draw the line? What is simply raising an animal in an affordable high yield way to provide needed food and what is unnecessarily cruel? Where should governments step in and interfere with the practices of farmers? What practices should be legal and what banned? This is a potentially controversial topic. Please show respect. If there is any flaming or if this gets off subject, the mods will shut it down in a heart beat. Let's not let it get there.