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    Violence on television (wtf???)

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by 123456789, Jul 15, 2016.

    Disclaimer: I do not own a television.

    I was in a hotel and there was one so I turned it on, to the sci fi channel, and holy shit, I cannot believe what they are showing. I'm talking about girls having their faces bit off and being split in half and their entrails falling off, all on cable television.

    Here's my first question, how is this sort of grotesque violence any more appropriate than foul or racist language, or full out porn?

    Second question, should this sort of violence be depicted on cable television?

    Third, should this sort of violence be depicted anywhere?
     
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    Do you mean because violence = bad, so it shouldn't be depicted in fiction?

    Or, like, in case it makes people do bad things, violence shouldn't be depicted in fiction?
    Like how Marilyn Manson's music creates school shooters and video games make men sexist ("the more you think it doesn't affect you, the more it affects you"), and Harry Potter turns kids into Satan worshippers and First Person Shooters make white boys kill people irl on such a massive, easily quantifiable, definitely statistically important scale we should actually ban all that because that's the right thing to do?
     
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    Um, welcome to the modern age of television? At least here in America, our cable TV will gladly show you a zombie ripping off someone's face and gutting them, but a woman shows a breast or (god forbids) a nipple and all hell breaks loose. :p :D
     
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    It makes no sense, that's my point. I don't think there's much more offensive material out there than watching a person get their face bit off.
     
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    Not violence. Gratuitous violence. Limps getting torn off, head's getting chopped, I would argue that's sick. I can't really figure out why anyone would enjoy watching that. I think it's unhealthy.
     
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    It is adolescent fantasy, make-up, Game Of Thrones - the eye-popping stuff.

    Real porno lies on the web, Chechen terror clips and suchlike. Young people find these at some point, frighten themselves silly, or would you like a new law, mister Erdogan? [heh heh]

    [We should] worry about the real problems of the world, on our sideboards, on our wireless[es], grandad, above the doily. Or maybe a coin in that slot, and feel the bed wobble? I'll join you later, pops, shower-time, your spectacles are by the lamp.

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    How do you mean?

    Do you mean like Evil Dead franchise, Dead/Alive (also known as Braindead), Tucker and Dale vs Evil, Cabin in the Woods and that kinda stuff.

    Where they are horror comedies with crazy blood and gore and decapitation. I've watched tons and tons of horror shows and movies from the time I was about ten to thirteen (it was a big part of my world...still is to) and the heavy violence never really bothered me much. In fact when it comes to the up above the violence just adds to the comedy, funny characters and crazy setting.

    Then you got stuff like Audition, Saw and Hostel which are torture porn movies.

    That's when its a very serious and very violent but more realistic? Eh somewhat. I'm not big on those very much but there are good ones. I think Audition is a very good movie. But there is stuff in those movies where I have to look away because can't deal with it. You can show me heads being ripped off, arms getting torn off, people getting cut in half and I'll be cool. I'll even laugh if its hilariously over the top. But I can't deal with wrists being cut, nails being ripped off, slow eye stabbing, slow throat slitting and several other sort of more torture kinda things. I get nausea with that but it doesn't offend me. I figure that's the reaction the creator of the work intended.

    In fact.

    I've never read or watched or played anything within fiction of any sort (crime, fantasy, horror, drama etc) that was so edgy or disgusting (be it with violence, sex or whatever) that it sent me running. I've heard of things but I've never seen or watched them and no desire to.

    There is a book called 120 days of Sodom and a movie called A Siberian Film.

    I've heard what's in the both and have no interest in them....just to much.

    So even I've got a line when it comes to this stuff.

    But I cant can give a reason for why I enjoy it in certain things, just do or why it doesn't bother me. I don't consider it unhealthy really and I'm certainly no mad man....I get a little sick from my own blood and others in real life. I could also barely stand reading about stuff like Nanking Massacre.

    Now note.

    I do not actively seek out extremely violent material.

    I just had a very big horror phase in my early pre-teen and teen years, sooooo ended up seeing a lot of gore. The most stuff I consume to this day tends to be either non violent or just realistic normal violence or fantasy sorta violence (superpowers and magic and pulpy stuff)

    But the violence and action was kinda always a secondary thing and even more so as you get older.

    You've gotta bring it all for that violence and action to work. I want to be invested in the characters, story, world, good pacing-the important stuff and then the action and the violence is more meaningful. The same can be said for tense moments or sad moments.

    It all works together and all that writing goodness.

    You're Godzilla in which case I don't care about anything except awesome guys in rubber suits beating the tar out of each other :p.
     
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    I think that if you intend to depict violence in a work, you have an obligation to show what it's actually like. Sanitizing violence can end up painting it in a much rosier picture than it really is. There are without a doubt situations that demand a decapitation or ripped off limb to do them proper credit. I'm not sure that many people enjoy, or are intended by the creator to enjoy, those.

    Now, I don't doubt that there are those out there who quite enjoy violence, or works that intend extreme gore to be enjoyed, but I usually don't see many of those on cable.
     
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    I think a distinction is to be made between violence as the story demands it versus violence for the sake of violence and the shock-value. The later is what the TV version of Game of Thrones is so infamous for. It's not enough to merely watch an important person keel over, he/she's got to die in the most brutal, grotesque way possible and we need to see it in all its gory detail. It becomes less of a story-driven "oh no, that person's dead!" and more "WANNA SEE BLOOD AND GUTS!!?"
     
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    Stannis Baratheon and Brynden 'The Blackfish' Tully both died anti-climatic deaths off screen. (The book fans were not for the most part happy as the way both men met and confronted their end would have said heaps about who they were. Both, I think, deserved on screen deaths. I wasn't after gore, I was after the satisfactory conclusion of their characters' arcs. I'd like to have been there.

    Hell, if they really wanted to play up the gore, the show should have included Vargo Hoat, from the Brave Companions. That way they could have extended his demise over several episodes as bits of him were chopped off and fed to him. Guess they made up for that particular torture porn-ish exclusion by including flaying and ridding Theon Greyjoy of his penis and other bits and pieces. Strangely, when it comes to violent scenes, the one that really sticks out for me, is the death of The Red Viper and not for the obvious reasons. Oberyn had his skull crushed by the Mountain's bare hands; teeth were knocked out, eyes popped, but the violence was so OTT as to be rendered cartoonish. And that's just how it would have been perceived if it hadn't been for the reminder of the human cost: The demented screams of his concubine, Ellaria Sand, in the background. She was my focus, not the violent act. Although, I daresay that was lost on those with a particular fascination with blood and viscera.

    I'm not even gonna attempt to answer the questions as posed, but I will say that what I fictionally see on screen is much less affecting than turning on the telly and watching the news. Good people live in mortal peril each and every day of their lives. Many are not fortunate to share our over-sanitised existence. I have a friend who is seriously into the horror genre. She reckons it's because she is so lacking fear in her everyday life that she needs to nuture it, in order to believe that, should the worst happen, she'll be mentally prepared. She might have the outward appearance of being a Rob Zombie fangirl, but I think what she's actually doing is maintaining her fight/flight wiring. I used to do the same by riding horses with abandon, climbing rock faces, repelling from helicopters and swimming off-shore. It's often, in confronting the possiblilty of death, that we feel most alive. But, as in so many things, some are more happy to confront their issues from the safety of their couch, rather than actually get out and about and live their lives.
     
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    In what I've seen of GoT, the violence serves the story. The "shock value" is greatly exaggerated. Some deaths are even less gory than the book versions (like a certain bastard King).
     
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    Go ahead and watch Wrong Turn. That's the sort of violence I'm talking about.
     
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    It's worse.

    Couldn't tell you about the other questions.
     
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    That is not real, nor plausible in the real world. It is just gruesome art in film format. Don't watch the news. It is the real violence that disturbs. When you can watch raw footage of police brutality, or the aftermath of what happens to children after being torn apart by artillery shells. There is plenty of senseless violence both in fiction and reality. If this disturbs you to the degree that it seems to, then you best try to limit the amount of contact you have to such things (both real, and fake). As a species we are extremely good at being gruesome, as well as imitating horrors that we imagine. There is a fascination with the vile and disturbing that we are drawn to, that has no defined explanation. Designed to crave pleasure and well being, but programmed to be monstrosity and nightmare. Contradictory in many ways, but humans are mentally fucked up when compared to what design is meant for.

    How else can you explain why we are so good at getting pleasure in the destruction of our own kind? We have been doing it (and improving) since we first set foot on this little blue planet. Part of us is ingrained in being sadistic to one another, it just varies from person to person. Right or wrong, it is never going to go away until we do.
     
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