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    What do you think about the restriction on girl scouts

    Discussion in 'Debate Room' started by yagr, Feb 25, 2014.

    You may have heard about the girl scout who recently sold 117 boxes of girl scout cookies in two hours by parking herself outside of a medical marijuana dispensary. Since then, the Girl Scouts of America have decreed that such a location is inappropriate and announced that Girl Scouts can no longer utilize this method. Thoughts?
     
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    Let her do it. She's very enterprising - I don't think she should be penalized for doing well!
     
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    Better than parking yourself outside a Weight Watchers class. I found this the story amusing.
     
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    That's one smart girl. I'm sure she'll find a loophole in the new rule.
     
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    Samoas are not what they used to be, I don't care how high you are!
     
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    Speaking as someone who voted for Amendment 64 I'd say that I don't want children exposed to the dispensaries, no matter how hilarious it is.
     
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    I had to look that up. I'll bet that was hotly debated.
     
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    It's a legal establishment, and she's not inside it. She should be able to sell nearby.
     
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    Actually not really. There were a couple of pro commercials, including a testimonial by an ex sheriff that pot was never involved in any violent crimes. I actually don't remember any anti commercials.

    No bumper stickers, no yard signs. There were some articles in the Denver Post both for and against, and I think the paper might have endorsed it.

    And it passed with 60% of the vote, which was a big deal, because it's tied to a tax, and we haven't voted for a tax in 16 years. We actually voted the tax on marijuana again in the last municipal election. (We have some bullshit called TABOR that I won't even get into, basically every tax increase has to pass the popular vote, so our schools have been underfunded for over a decade.)

    I don't really think it's a big deal, and neither do most of the people I talk to. Getting a medical license was such a joke that anyone who was going to smoke pot was already doing it legally.

    I agree with Daniel Tosh,
    "I'm pro legalization. Just so pot heads never have anything to talk about ever again."
     
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    I think she should be commended for her enterprising abilities, and wonder if Boy Scouts would react in the same way towards a boy who made so much money. In any case, adults are well-known for their fondness for moralising and fear of anything new, so this kind of backlash doesn't surprise me. Children get exposed to violence, drugs and alcohol in their own homes all the time, but let's pounce on this, shall we? If I was this girl, I'd set up stands outside medical marihuana establishments all over the place, and earn a million by the time I'm a senior in high school. That'd show them :D
     
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    I only know you from here and only for a short time but I have to call BS. I think that if you were this girl, you'd bake your own cookies, set up stands outside medical marihuana establishments all over the place, and earn two million by the time you're a senior in high school. :)
     
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    as a mother of 7 and grandmother of 19 [at last count], i wouldn't want young girls or boys hanging around pot shops, period!
     
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    @mammamaia : They are not 'pot shops' they are pharmacies for medical marijuana. Don't you think it would be better to educate these children about various conditions that can be helped by this natural herb? Basically, by forbidding children to sell cookies outside of any establishment teaches children that people frequenting them should be avoided, ie. discriminated against. And I can't imagine why it would be a good idea to discriminate against people with chronic illnesses, such as arthritis, asthma, multiple sclerosis and many more whose symptoms can be helped by this medicine. Now that the law caught up with medical advice, the society needs to learn to drop old unfounded prejudices.
     
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    I think the GSA did the right thing. Sure, lots of people smoke pot, and drink, and smoke cigarettes, and I'm not condemning anyone for that. However, just like school rules for athletes, certain activities for young people are, and should remain, drug and alcohol free.

    Although I did find it funny, it's more likely it was a parent or other adult who came up with the idea based on personal experience, hopefully it wasn't personal experience of the girl scout.

    Imagine a youth organization selling pretzels or beer nuts outside a bar, or selling cigar cutters outside a smoking lounge. It might be a good entrepreneurial idea, but it's too close of a connection.

    Not to mention it's a potential branding catastrophe for the GSA.
     
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    My two cents on weed in general.

    Medical marijuana is a no-brainer. I can’t imagine why anyone would deny some weed or any other substance to a terminally-ill individual or someone in pain, as long as it didn’t affect anyone else.

    I wish they’d just legalize it in general. I’ll admit selfish reasons. From a practical standpoint, I’ve seen what alcohol abuse does to people, and I’ve seen what happens to people who smoke too much weed. Booze can destroy lives and kill people. The worst I’ve seen pot do is make people fat from eating too many girl scout cookies.

    Zero tolerance for driving while under the influence of any substance.

    - They call marijuana a “gateway drug.” True, but that’s only half the story. Marijuana is a gateway drug only because you get it from the same guy who sells crack and meth. Buy it from the guy who used to own the Walgreens and it’s no more a gateway drug than cigarettes or alcohol.

    - Think of the freaking tax revenue. Colorado estimated high (sic) tax revenue, and they’re seeing twice much revenue as projected.

    - I believe you’ll see a downward trend in drinking if you legalize pot, and that will be better for everybody.

    - Stimulus for the cartoon industry.

    - Free up cops and prisons to better handle people who are a real threat to society.

    I think it’s a matter of time across the country. If you remember the 70’s you weren’t there, and now those teenagers are in Congress.
     
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    I don't know anything about your location, other than it's out of the U.S. so you can be forgiven for misunderstanding. The limitations on getting a medical marijuana license are cartoonishly simple, and in most cases involve seeing a doctor with a financial connection to the "pharmacy". The criteria for getting a license are so vague that it would be more difficult to convince your "doctor" that you don't need marijuana to help.

    And in two states the "pharmacies" have dropped the facade altogether and sell relationally.

    They are pot shops.<---period.
     
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    This ill be the reason most places will adopt it. I remember everyone had to go to Nevada to gamble, now it seems there is casino almost everywhere.
     
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    I don't know what it's like in Canada, but most of the states still have strict injunctions on gambling.

    tribal reservations of the other hand aren't part of the state, or even technically the country, and can build as many casinos as they damn well please*.

    *this has lead to some sermonizing on the part of the white folk, who think that immoral gambling has lead the tribes astray. In some cases (like with the Navajo) they are correct, but in many other tribes there is a long tradition of gambling. Even at our most culturally sensitive we are insensitive.
     
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    My impression of the marijuana dispensaries were that they were kind of like a lot of other stores -- pharmacies, cheese shops, candy stores, etc., insofar as that you were sold the product you wanted and you took it home (or wherever) to use it. I didn't think that they were like a coffee shop, where much of the product was consumed on-premises, or like a crack den where people would gather to use the product together.
     
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    They should just legalize it, tax it and get it over with. Let people buy it at Wal-mart. There is no logical reason marijuana should be illegal.

    That being said, I do think most Girl Scouts that sell cookies from a table have adult supervisors, and I wouldn't want a young girl to go door-to-door in some inner city locations. There are some places they shouldn't be unsupervised so I think the discussion is valid.
     
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    I'm certain that you have evidence to support this (I am not being sarcastic) but it is wrong. There is a lot of misinformation out there purporting to be fact and I've no doubt you got your hands on some of that information and assumed it was true. I am Navajo, though I live on the Spokane Indian Reservation (my wife is Spokane) and have been in the gaming industry for 30 years.

    Tribal Gaming is the most regulated of all gaming. They are regulated at the tribal, state and federal level. Too, each tribe is allowed a certain number of sites on which gambling is permitted but they cannot exceed that number. On the Spokane reservation for instance, that number is five.

    I have seen many tribes squander their spiritual inheritance over greed and my own tribe is no exception. I will say however, that the Navajo have increased the number of people who speak Navajo by 30,000 since gaming has come in and while our educational programs are still lacking, they too have come a long way.
     
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    I would only find this idea disturbing, if she was selling injectable cookies.
     
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    Sorry, that was hyperbole

    I know for certain that the Crow had a counting game that they gambled with all the time. And the Comanche bet on horse races, and they may have raced dogs as well.
     
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    @Jack Asher: I am a doctor so I know quite a bit about medical marijuana and its uses. Just because it seems to you that obtaining a licence is 'cartoonishly simple' doesn't mean it is so. People still have to have an indication, ie. an illness that is shown to respond positively to cannabis. Just because some people cheat the system and get it, doesn't decrease the dignity of all those people with debilitating illnesses who see their lives turned around by this herb. Like I said, anything from arthritis, asthma, multiple sclerosis, the list is extensive, can find relief in consuming cannabis (obviously, small doses and orally, not smoked because smoking is bad for the health). Studies are so numerous, longitudinal and world-wide, that all this is now common knowledge. For example, it's been found that cannabis increases effectivity of steroid medication up to ten fold, which means that some people who need this medication, such as asthmatics, can significantly reduce steroids, and with it the terrible side effects, and sometimes stop taking them altogether. Something asthmatic cannabis users have been reporting for decades. A professor somewhere in California, it was a long time ago I saw a documentary about his clinic, was even trialling juicing entire fresh plants, one a day per patient, which didn't leave people high but it gave them excellent relief, mainly from recurrent infections and chronic pain, due to anti inflammatory and immune-boosting effects of cannabis. Any doctor will tell you how difficult it is to remedy these conditions with ordinary medications we use, often, it's impossible. And no, synthetic cannabinoids aren't a solution, they've been shown to be much less effective than the cannabis plant, because it's been concluded that the active ingredient isn't thc alone, but that various plant substances act in synergy, also to reduce side effects of other substances within it. Also, it's been shown that various strains of cannabis (sativa vs indica) have different effects. I always forget which one (I think sativa?) is much better for medicinal use and the high is much milder (or absent at small doses) and the other gives lots of high and side effects like palpitations, anxiety etc. Unfortunately, medicinal extracts done by pharma companies such as "Sativex" are made from skunk, a highly hybridised very thc potent cannabis (and therefore much more profitable) which gives lots of side effects, so it really isn't a quality replacement for the natural versions.

    Since there isn't really a substitute for the plant, people really need to educate themselves a little more about this issue, because all the prejudice is coming from times when this plant was vilified, for no scientific reason whatsoever. The absurdity is, diamorphine aka heroin is a well respected and much used synthetic medication, despite huge addictive potential and no beneficial effects on the body other than the pain relief (usually accompanied by crippling side effects). Cannabis, a plant that can be grown anywhere, that's been shown to be non-addictive in every study, doesn't leave you incapacitated, has a huge list of benefits with minimal or non-existent side effects, is illegal and people are discriminated if they need to take it for medical reasons. It makes no sense.
     
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    I agree totally. Also, I have seen many, many tables of girl scouts selling cookies and without exception, there has ALWAYS been a parent/adult with them.
     
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