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    what position?

    Discussion in 'Erotica' started by SuperVenom, Feb 3, 2014.

    Ok the question sounds ruder than it is. This is a question for the ladies :D. Men to if you read erotica.

    How do you prefer to read your erotica. Do u like first person for a personal veiw. Or more of an outside looking in with a 3rd person sense. I ask ladies first only because (maybe quite sexistly. For which I apologise) that seems to be the genres main demographic. .
     
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    Firstly, there isn't a gay man alive with access to Erotica that doesn't own Erotica. LOL :) If the Dalai Lama is a 'mo, he's got Erotica on his Kindle.

    Secondly, as in any other genre, it all depends on the writing, this from the POV of a gay dude who both produces and consumes the genre. ;)
     
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    Look, I typed these up for comparison, which might help. I mean there's bound to be repetitions and stuff:

    Example A

    Mat entered the swimming pool. Twenty-four months creative writing had not been kind to his physique. Where once the spine had arched to a firm buttocks, now a thick layer of lard dropped to the wide pair of colostomy shorts he had inherited from his dead father. Mat dropped into the water, keen to repair these deficiencies that had so inhibited his cruising lifestyle.

    Almost immediately he felt the firm stroke of tips upon his sole, and Mat increased his speed, completing 64 lengths in literally a blink of an eye. Yet, he was still there. There behind the goggles stood the Turk, a thick matt of black curls sprouting across his chest.

    Quickly showered, the men found a cubicle, and eye to eye, with shorts now dropped to the floor, Mat reached for the stocky Turk’s erection that tickled at his belly, a hot stick, red-tipped oozing its delicious pre-cum. Mat dropped to his knees



    Example B

    I decided to go for a swim. Not feeling so frisky these days after just bloody writing all the time, I couldn’t find any decent shorts so had to use my dad’s old gear. Sixty inch waist, but they fitted alright with the drawstring, I think so. A bit shy at first I jumped in the water and pretty early on noticed this guy was chasing me.

    ‘Chase me,’ I said through the bubbles.

    He chased me the length of the pool until we convened, our firm pectorals all engorged in the wake of such vigorous exercise. I pulled the swarthy fellow into a cubicle attacking his masculine lips, such lips, firm to bite and licking across his teeth I asked his name, tugging at the string of his yellow speedos, and how it sprung the most magnificent cock of my entire life, fat like a large cola container, but it was not ice that spilled, a stream of silken

    A or B?
     
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    You know I totally forgot about the gay erotica. I feel so ashamed. Question opened to everyone. So wreybies when you write erotica what pov do u feel comes across better?
     
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    Either, or.

    They both have potential. I think it's a matter of determining what is going to convey the mood and tone the best.
     
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    If you are talking about hard core erotica with lots of physical details, first person limits you to what the MC is experiencing (unless you jump POV a lot) and the rest is what the MC thinks his or her partner is feeling. Not necessarily bad, but it is limiting.

    As for women being the main demographic for "Erotica", that is because these days most of the erotica that would appeal to the median male market would be labeled as "porn" or worse by the big publishers and outlets and rejected. Have a look at A1Adultebooks.
     
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    For me personally, 3rd person limited, but this stems from a more global preference for the POV, regardless of genre or content. I'm not a great fan of 1st person, though there are many novels I have enjoyed that are in 1st person. Storm Constantine's Wraeththu series being a prime example. Well written, 1st person, and riding the line between General Fantasy and Erotic Fantasy.
     
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    Yeah I found that straight men are mostly wired to image more that imagery. I found from talking to people that women like to read and feel immersed and let there own imagination take control of the story. Where as men, i'm guessing from some predatory evolution stance where sight was a big influence back then are more image based ie. porn magazines. I would be grateful and am greatful for Wreybies and others to insight on the homosexual veiw, as i will put my hand up and say I really dont know what they would favour.
     
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    In this regard, there is no line between gay and straight. Think in terms of men and women, understanding that even that paradigm is limited in scope. Gay dudes are no different than str8 dudes in how they perceive the object of desire. We are as visually keyed as any str8 guy because we have the same wiring and we are products of the same cultures as our str8 pals. Our nature and nurture is the same, so it should come as no surprise that how we want what we want is the same even if what we want is not. For me the 3rd person limited gives a balance of internal knowledge of the character for emotional grounding and external descriptions that arouse (hopefully ;)).
     
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    That's great, thanks I didn't want to make assumptions or get blocked with dated stereotypes, so i appreciate your feedback. :)
     
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    *peers around corner* Um... is this pool open to a female?

    In all seriousness, I prefer the third-person POV rather than first-person in my very scant collection of erotica, something that I keep meaning to collect but keep forgetting to. I can't stand the first-person, and found it to be a little tacky in the few I have. I haven't finished them. :p
     
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    On POV, I have written from both first person present and third person, omni in the same story. Sounds awful I know but it actually works. Not sure which is my favourite.
    My problem is making it different each time. At the end of the day, sex is sex is sex. I wanted to make it slightly different every time but without going beyond certain boundaries. Not that I'm a prude (absolutely not!) but I just didn't want to include any 'extras' in the sexy bits.
     
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    I normally write in first person but the one I'm writing at the moment is 3rd person limited with Multiple POVs. The issue I have writing lesbian erotica in 3rd is the 'she' and 'she' issue (It's hard to distinguish between two girls without saying their names or a random description, 'the blonde one', all the time.) It's a little easier for me to write 'she' and 'I', hence thinking first person is a little easier. I think there might be a similar issue with gay erotica?

    I agree that there's more scope with 3rd person though, I'm enjoying it a bit more than I thought I would.

    (P.S. Hi! I don't think I've posted in this forum before...)
     
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    Not being gay, I found it a little uncomfortable - although now I guess I have some inkling of how the gay community might feel when watching/reading your regular heterosexual romance...

    In any case, I prefer A. I liked the sense of mystery it had there. (I did not understand what you meant by "tips" however, but passage B sorta explained that lol) I liked the sense of wonder it had. I don't read erotica, so I wasn't so comfortable with the term "pre-cum", but I think it works well - that frankness works in contrast with the sense of distance you've created previously, making the proximity of the two men to each other very immediate and effective.

    B for me felt too... crude, too simple, bland. It felt cheap. I'm not sure why. For me, passage B didn't take the time to set up any atmosphere - it was just a plain spouting of immediate thoughts, and not very interesting immediate thoughts either. I struggle with a lot of chick lit for the same reason, even though I love silliness and romance. Even the description felt cheesy. It felt like it wanted to be a romance but accidentally crossed the line to being erotica, but not sexy erotica - only... cheap.

    Anyway, I don't actually read erotica, nor do I normally enjoy erotica. The only erotica I read was 50 Shades and I got very, very bored of all the sex. I'm just saying, I'm not your usual target audience for the genre.
     
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    Erotica is like any other work of fiction. Like any other piece it only feels comfortable if the style fits the character, if the character reads comfortably then style becomes a moot point.
     
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    I like it all. First person, second, third it don't matter, I think its all about what is happening at that moment in the story.
     
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    Hello back, :D
     
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    Cool its just all I seen seem to have a large percentage towards 1st person, and I was wondering if that's because the feelings are intensified by putting in the reader right into the situation. Was thinking of writing a character who's quite a blank slate that the reader can replace with themselves (without being totally bland) as with erotica the real strong character is the sexual input.
     
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    I find 1st person somewhat awkward but on the other hand it usually limits what I want to "see", which in my case would be the dude. I don't care what size her boobs are or how they wobble, but that's a personal preference. I don't pay attention to myself when I'm having it (as in, start admiring myself from the mirrors or something), so I tend to relate well to a protag who's similar in that sense. Sex being a personal thing, I don't think it's possible to go wrong; you'll always find people who like it the way you do it (no pun intended).

    A friend of mine writes erotica/romance and she's actually quite adamant about the POV and even said it's something of a tactic to allow the reader insert themselves into the faceless protag and go wild with their hot lover. On the other hand, I'd imagine some readers want to know they're inhabiting a hot piece of ass while exploring the story's world.
     
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    I think there's an art to writing first person pov and if it's not done right it can be pretty annoying. I don't write erotica per se, but I always have the sensuous component to my stories and sex scenes always find their way in. I write in both first and third person limited, and really, most of the time 3rd is better, bur sometimes 1st is the right choice. I feel the same as a reader. It's up to you to discover which matches your style and story best.
     
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    First person can also become claustrophobic after a while. I was thinking about this from the erotica point of view, though in general I prefer to read and write in 3rd person limited. On the other hand, the best sex scenes I ever read were omni, so a lot comes down to execution.

    While T's and my WIP is not erotica, we realized some time ago that even though a lot of guys would be right there in the target audience what with it being military sci-fi, the sex scenes probably won't appeal to the straight portion of them all that much :D In our case the 3rd person limited is really quite limited...
     
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    Personally I prefer third, but with a deep PoV. I find a lot of 1st person sounds forced, the dialogues comes across as unnatural, I find myself thinking, who is this person talking to? and why? It can of course be very well done, but rarely is.
     
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    I dabble with erotica, though it is more fetish based (sometimes straying into Hard Fetish :D). I enjoy first person, possibly because that is how one interacts in the real world. Yes I understand that this can be seen as limiting to some, but it is just my pref. Might give one form, or the other of third a try at some point. Still unsure of how to write second (is that like fourth wall breaking to invite the reader into the story?). Oddly enough I to spend a fair amount on the details, cause I prefer to create 'scenes'. Done MF, FFM, and FF, though to say done well would be up to somebody else (cause no one is the best critic of their own creation).

    Final note, neither first nor third bothers me so longs as it draws me into the (for lack of a better word) story. Brownie points for creativity and technical aspects.
     

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